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The hate for Amari Cooper on this forum is real, lol... Everyone praying for the kid's downfall, as if he traded himself... Mad because he's balling out and that he showed some balls, finally... After spending the last 4 years with "Golly Gee Derek Carr" and "Get your chain snatched Michael Crabtree"... Rightttttttt, lol...

Read Marcus Peters comments on him after the game... Where there's smoke there's fire... Maybe he's finally in an environment where he can go a little harder... INstead of worrying about saying a curse word and offending his QB, lol...

Remember, it was the OAKLAND RAIDERS whoe could not get consistent production out of the kid... 1-2 targets per game for your #1 WR is fucking ridiculous... Derek Carr, Jon Gruden, Greg Olsen and Todd Downing are to blame for his non-production here... Not Amari Cooper...

He didn't all of a sudden learn how to play WR once he got to Dallas... He was a Biletnikoff winner before he even got HERE... And a 2 time Pro Bowler before Downing and Gruden...

Let that man live, sheesh... 

First off, people wanted to see him fail because the Cowboys downfall equals a better pick for us. I'm disappointed the Cowboys did so well after the trade, but surely that's a no-brainer?

Secondly, his attitude as a Raider. Coop wasn't targeted enough or used properly, yadda yadda yadda. OK, I'll concede there is certainly an argument for that. But I think there is more to it.

This is Cooper after signing his contract....HIS FIRST NFL CONTRACT!!!
....Welcome to the NFL kid, you've made the big time. You'll get paid a millionaire's salary to play the game you love. And best of all... you get to be an OAKLAND RAIDER!!!!!



OK, maybe the kid's a bit shy. Surely he'll show some fire on the field. He showed production at times. At other times he disappeared. But I'm not sure if we ever saw 'fire'.

Remember this. He just lay there... He probably did the 'right thing' by not retaliating, but there was still something weird about the way he just lay there.



His demeanour in interviews, his mannerisms on the sidelines. They all resembled a guy who got paid minimum wage to sit in the payment booth in a car park.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt, thinking maybe that's just the guy's personality. As long as he's productive, can't get mad at him if he's just a quiet sort of guy. But many of our own members, understandably, questioned his attitude. Wondered if he actually wanted to play football. You can see why. He wasn't always productive. He suffered from the drops often, and messed up routes. He had some great games, but he was never as clutch as Crabtree when shit was on the line.

So I guess that's just the guy we thought we had. A quiet guy. Bit inconsistent (even he admitted that) but could show flashes of brilliance from time to time. As long as we don't over-pay him, I'm fine with keeping him around.

Then he gets traded to Dallas and all of a sudden we see a guy beaming about how much of a dream come true it is to play for an organisation like the Cowboys. I watched All Or Nothing. I've seen the Cowboys facilities. I get it. It's all stunning. A million miles from the what the Raiders have in Oakland. I may understand it, but as a fan you can't help feeling a bit scorned.

And now we see him trash talking to TV cameras and getting into fights with opposition cornerbacks. We can be forgiven for asking "Who the fuck is this guy?" He never once showed that kind of fire in Oakland.

Peters' comment was a total fucking 'mic drop' and made me smile. Especially the line 'That's why the Raiders got rid of him.' We know what Peters is like, and we know this is nothing new. But a little part of me suspects he was defending Oaktown, his heritage. Yeah, he is a Ram and was a Chief. He's maybe never played for us (yet), but he sure as hell respects our organisation. I felt like he was defending that a bit with his comment. Him and Beastmode maybe even sat in private and discussed Coops indifference towards the Raiders. Pure conjecture on my part, but not beyond believable considering Peters' comment.

No, Cooper didn't asked to be traded. But you can bet your nut-sack that he was delighted with it. Delighted he could finally get out of Oakland and be a part of the type of NFL he always dreamed about.

A lot has been made about how the Cowboys gave up a first round pick for him. Well so did we. The Raiders also gave up a first round pick, and since he was coming out of college they took a bigger risk and showed more faith in him than the Cowboys did, who at least had seen flashes of a top NFL WR. No, he didn't all of a sudden learn to play WR in Dallas. But he all of a sudden began giving a fuck.

I'm amazed you can't see any of this.

So yeah, fuck him.

My worst playoff nightmare had come true. The fucking Pats and Chiefs in the AFC title game? My fucking head hurts. Thanks Chargers, once again you fucking choke against Brady and Billibitch.

Go Rams.

Peters went off on him tho... 

The hate for Amari Cooper on this forum is real, lol... Everyone praying for the kid's downfall, as if he traded himself... Mad because he's balling out and that he showed some balls, finally... After spending the last 4 years with "Golly Gee Derek Carr" and "Get your chain snatched Michael Crabtree"... Rightttttttt, lol...

Read Marcus Peters comments on him after the game... Where there's smoke there's fire... Maybe he's finally in an environment where he can go a little harder... INstead of worrying about saying a curse word and offending his QB, lol...

Remember, it was the OAKLAND RAIDERS whoe could not get consistent production out of the kid... 1-2 targets per game for your #1 WR is fucking ridiculous... Derek Carr, Jon Gruden, Greg Olsen and Todd Downing are to blame for his non-production here... Not Amari Cooper...

He didn't all of a sudden learn how to play WR once he got to Dallas... He was a Biletnikoff winner before he even got HERE... And a 2 time Pro Bowler before Downing and Gruden...

Let that man live, sheesh... 

Gruden will draft Kyler Murray at #4...

And then what would you do?  lol...

Hypothetically speaking...

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I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

I agree.  If we are going to roll the dice with Carr then we need to build an offense around him.  Watching this Chiefs game while Mahomes is a stud he's  targets are wide open 90% of the time.  Just having Hill and Kelsey on the field at the same time makes it easy for Reid to get open looks all day long.


Carr has never had those kinds of weapons to work with.

Yeah, I thought Luck would have  fared better than the he has tonight.  Man I hate seeing the Queifs win again, but that Mahomes kid is fo' rizzle.

One of our most active members here recently said Carr can't beat the Chiefs.


Well looks like Luck, Big Ben, Garoppolo, Keenum, Bortles, Dalton, Maytield, Rosen, and Wilson can't beat the Chiefs either.

                       C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Andrew Luck   19/36   203   5.6   1   0   3-27           78.8

                   C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Derek Carr   24/33   185   5.6   0   2   3-20           60.8

What do any of them have to do with with whether or not Carr can beat them?

They also don't have to play them, at minimum, twice a season.. They also don't have them in their way of a division title... Hell, some of the guys you mentioned barely play them once every 4 years... Others have only played them once in their careers...

Carr is 2-8 overall, 0-5 @ KC... his 1st win was the very 1st time he played them... and a 1 point win, last year... And he just started playing vs Mahomes, and is 0-2...

Not sure what your post even means... *shrugs* 

Or why you felt the need to call me out... *shrugs*

Dude I called you out because you pissed me off with your comments about Carr and the Chiefs.

Watching the game today I realized Carr and Luck looked like the same guy playing against the Chiefs.  The only difference is the Colts have better talent.  But obviously the result was just about the same.

I just want to see Carr get the same team around him that Mahomes has. 

Your comments were not fair.

Lets see what happens over the next 2 years.

Sooooooooo... you get mad and call me out, because I speak the truth... Ok... lol...

And Carr has had weapons around him...

If you're waitring for him to get the "same" weapons as Mahomes, you'll probably die waiting... A future HOF TE... and the fastest kid in the universe... And an HC/OC that actually knows how run a creative and versatile offense to get them the ball?   Wait on it...

My comments are fair, because KCs defense has been atrocious every year Carr has been here... every year he plays good/decent against everyone... but KC he CONSISTENTLY looks like shit... Those are the facts bro...

I don't care if he "looked like" Luck... or if all those QBs are 0-1 or 0-2 (really? lol) against the Chiefs... Derek Carr is 2-8 with a total margin of victory being 4 points...  Nothing "unfair" about calling a spade a spade... It is no secret that Carr's "kryptonite" is KC...

You think he's great, well great would be better than 2-8 vs KC... and he's had plenty weapons over the years... What happened the 12-4 season?  Or even last season when that roster was better (offensively) than 2016...

Until he shows he can beat KC, he (and you) need to own that fact that he's KC's bitch....  We've been playing the "Let's see" game with Carr for 6 years... It's THIS type of thinking that has me arguing this Gruden shit with some of yall... Because it's nothing but excuses... and "Let's see"... How long are we going to keep playing this game with DC... and how long are we GOING to play it with JG if he's not successful in a year or 2..

Sooner or later we're going to have to take the results as WHAT THEY ARE...

I'm -$100 for the week.

Gonna have to go large next week.

Raiders select QB Kyler Murray in new 3-round mock draft

4. Oakland Raiders
Clelin Ferrell | EDGE | Clemson

24. Oakland Raiders (from CHI)
Mack Wilson | LB | Alabama

27. Oakland Raiders (from DAL)
Kyler Murray | QB | Oklahoma

35. Oakland Raiders
A.J. Brown | WR | Ole Miss

66. Oakland Raiders
Damien Harris | RB | Alabama

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/10/raiders-select-qb-kyler-murray-in-new-3-round-mock-draft/

Clelin Ferrell has fallen several spots in the draft since the Alabama - Clemson game.  He was mostly neutralized by Jonah Williams and the Alabama OL.  Luckily Clemson had an offensive scoring machine

I want a QB with a rocket arm.

I hear Jawalrus is looking to get back in the game.

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NFL refs just won't let the pasties lose at home in the playoffs. Chargers get called for PI and holding when the pasties for the same thing with no calls. Can't beat Brady and the refs.

Come on Bro... it really doesn't matter what the refs do in this game, NE is owning LA.  Bosa can't get past the mountain, Trent Edwards (LT), Brady is carving the Chargers up and when he's not passing, the RBs are.  The NE defense is brilliant, putting most up to the line or close in the box, then backing out some and rushing others.  LA can't figure out who to block.  Now that LA is in a pass for their lives situation, the run game is an afterthought. I hate the Patsies, but got to give them props for this display of near football perfection.

They did do everything right which makes it even more frustrating. The pasties don't need any help and yet they get it. They scored TD's on their first four possessions and on three of them they had 3rd downs converted to 1sts for defensive holding calls that were exactly the same 'good coverage' plays the patsies did. I

How can the chargers get off the field when they can't use their hands the same as the patsies?