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 11 
 on: January 15, 2019, 09:51:47 PM 
Started by ElevatorRaidersfanPA - Last post by varaider

Again, if you think some no name QB is going to come in here and beat out Carr while getting 2% of the snaps in camp, more power to ya..

If only it were that easy,  no one would have QB problems...

Who said it was easy?

Who said YOU said it was easy?


And no, it doesn't happen brother...  I can't even remember (right now) the last time it did, outside of injury or a team having a pathetic start to a season....

It does happen. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it doesn't.

I can understand you dismissing the injury reason for being replaced. But pathetic starts? If the top QB is being replaced by a back up due to pathetic starts it should count as part of this conversation.

Example/s?

Mind you, we're talking about COMPETITION... that usually happens in Camp... Not after a starter has been declared and the season is underway... So I think pathetic starts and injuries shouldn't count...  Losing your job because of poor play, is not always the same as being beaten out... IMO...

Schaub didn't play bad... Carr just played better... and was a 2nd round pick, which validated him being elevated so early... Alex Smith didn't play bad, Mahomes was thought of as being better for the future...


I'm telling you, no one is coming here to "beat out" Carr, no one not named Nick Foles, Haskins, Murray or whoever else is projected as a top QB prospect...


UMMM....Foles was a 3rd round pick and is a league journeyman. 4 different stints with 3 different teams (two stints in Philly) in 7 years. While he has had some success it seems no team wants to give him the job. I mean, he was beat out by Keenum with the Rams. So if you think Foles could come in and Beat out Carr you kinda prove my point it can be done.

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On November 16, the Rams named Keenum the starting quarterback after announcing they had benched Foles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Keenum


I never said Foles would come in and beat out Carr... I said Foles is about the ONLY QB on the market that can come and LEGITIMATELY challenge Carr for the starting spot... THAT'S what I said...

And Foles is the exception to the rule... I mean, he's a Super Bowl winning QB bro... And once again stepped in and led his team to the playoffs and nearly another NFC Championship birth...

He is in no way at the level of Taylor, Fitz or Osweiler... For you to think so, kinda proves my point...


And again, mentioning all these old timers doesn't serve a purpose here.  None of them are suiting up... And of course hindsight is 20/20.... 

Dude, I've explained the purpose and it is valid. If you don't like it, fine. But the point of bringing them up has a clear link to the subject matter.

Not about liking it, it's just we're talking about 2019... and you're talking about instances from 10-20-30-40 years ago brother... So I definitely don't see the link...

Unless you're saying that Taylor, Fitz and Osweiler are the same as Plunkett, Gannon and Warner... (Yikes)... If you say so bro... I think those 3 are exactly what they are and what they've shown...  You think different?  Well, this offseason, I expect you to be beating the drum to sign these guys when they become available... (I won't forget)...


You keep stretching it to the Old Timers and other teams... What you're suggesting has microscopic to no chance at happening in 2019 with Derek Carr and Gruden's Raiders...  It's either going to be Carr's show... with some lame at backup... Or we'll sign a big name QB or draft one of the top prospects... and have a TRUE quarterback competition...

Finally, you admit there is a chance it could happen. Was that really that hard?

Clearly you missed the sarcasm... No chance that happens in 2019... Care to make a wager?


Tyrod?  Fitz?  Osweiler?  Gtfoh man, lol....

Hey, I agree. Microscopic to no chance. But that is still a chance.


 12 
 on: January 15, 2019, 08:19:31 PM 
Started by ElevatorRaidersfanPA - Last post by Earl

Again, if you think some no name QB is going to come in here and beat out Carr while getting 2% of the snaps in camp, more power to ya..

If only it were that easy,  no one would have QB problems...

Who said it was easy?


And no, it doesn't happen brother...  I can't even remember (right now) the last time it did, outside of injury or a team having a pathetic start to a season....

It does happen. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it doesn't.

I can understand you dismissing the injury reason for being replaced. But pathetic starts? If the top QB is being replaced by a back up due to pathetic starts it should count as part of this conversation.


I'm telling you, no one is coming here to "beat out" Carr, no one not named Nick Foles, Haskins, Murray or whoever else is projected as a top QB prospect...


UMMM....Foles was a 3rd round pick and is a league journeyman. 4 different stints with 3 different teams (two stints in Philly) in 7 years. While he has had some success it seems no team wants to give him the job. I mean, he was beat out by Keenum with the Rams. So if you think Foles could come in and Beat out Carr you kinda prove my point it can be done.

Quote
On November 16, the Rams named Keenum the starting quarterback after announcing they had benched Foles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Keenum



And again, mentioning all these old timers doesn't serve a purpose here.  None of them are suiting up... And of course hindsight is 20/20.... 

Dude, I've explained the purpose and it is valid. If you don't like it, fine. But the point of bringing them up has a clear link to the subject matter.


You keep stretching it to the Old Timers and other teams... What you're suggesting has microscopic to no chance at happening in 2019 with Derek Carr and Gruden's Raiders...  It's either going to be Carr's show... with some lame at backup... Or we'll sign a big name QB or draft one of the top prospects... and have a TRUE quarterback competition...

Finally, you admit there is a chance it could happen. Was that really that hard?


Tyrod?  Fitz?  Osweiler?  Gtfoh man, lol....

Hey, I agree. Microscopic to no chance. But that is still a chance.

 13 
 on: January 15, 2019, 08:17:41 PM 
Started by Raider 8 - Last post by varaider
Cooper had 6-65 and a TD and Gallup had 119 yds.

It would be hard to find a one cell creatue in the Galaxy that is dumber than peters

Who's playing next week?

Peters or Cooper?

In the game of football (especially playoffs)... the winner can say whatever the FUCK he wants...  there is no "Game 2"...

IJS...

That's the exact response I would expect from you, you and Peters would get along great.

That's probably the exact response you'd get from 99% of the football world...

"To the winner goes the spoils"...

Exactly the response I knew I'd get from you, Always gotta make it personal tho, like a lil bitch...

 ;D ;D ;D

21 other guys on the field that made up for the liability that is Peters. Really something to brag about, especially when Troy Aikmen made a point of calling him out on the broadcast.

Please keep posting your immence football knowledge on this forum, lol

I'll ask you again...

Who's playing next week? Cooper or Peters?

It doesn't take an immense, with an S  o;) (talking about knowledge, lol) amount of football knowledge to understand that, but yet, look at you... confused... (Still trying to make it about me, lmao)

The point I'm making (and have been this entire time) is that Peters can say whatever the hell he wants, right or wrong, because at the end of the day, he's playing in the NFC Championship and Cooper is not...

No matter what opinion you have on the kid and his play... nothing you say about him changes that fact... Again... which was my whole point to begin with... "To the winner goes the spoils"... This is common sentiment among all sports, hence the saying to begin with... (dating back to the early 1800's)

And do you honestly think he (or I) give a shit about what you say about him (me) in the first place?

Ha Ha...

Ah, there we go, everybody feels smarter about themselves after reading your posts.

Reggie sucks and Gruden is a genius

Personal, personal, personal...

L.O.L.

You need help dude... really...

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 14 
 on: January 15, 2019, 08:16:27 PM 
Started by Raider 8 - Last post by Raider 8
Cooper had 6-65 and a TD and Gallup had 119 yds.

It would be hard to find a one cell creatue in the Galaxy that is dumber than peters

Who's playing next week?

Peters or Cooper?

In the game of football (especially playoffs)... the winner can say whatever the FUCK he wants...  there is no "Game 2"...

IJS...

That's the exact response I would expect from you, you and Peters would get along great.

That's probably the exact response you'd get from 99% of the football world...

"To the winner goes the spoils"...

Exactly the response I knew I'd get from you, Always gotta make it personal tho, like a lil bitch...

 ;D ;D ;D

21 other guys on the field that made up for the liability that is Peters. Really something to brag about, especially when Troy Aikmen made a point of calling him out on the broadcast.

Please keep posting your immence football knowledge on this forum, lol

I'll ask you again...

Who's playing next week? Cooper or Peters?

It doesn't take an immense, with an S  o;) (talking about knowledge, lol) amount of football knowledge to understand that, but yet, look at you... confused... (Still trying to make it about me, lmao)

The point I'm making (and have been this entire time) is that Peters can say whatever the hell he wants, right or wrong, because at the end of the day, he's playing in the NFC Championship and Cooper is not...

No matter what opinion you have on the kid and his play... nothing you say about him changes that fact... Again... which was my whole point to begin with... "To the winner goes the spoils"... This is common sentiment among all sports, hence the saying to begin with... (dating back to the early 1800's)

And do you honestly think he (or I) give a shit about what you say about him (me) in the first place?

Ha Ha...

Ah, there we go, everybody feels smarter about themselves after reading your posts.

Reggie sucks and Gruden is a genius


 15 
 on: January 15, 2019, 07:42:44 PM 
Started by Raider 8 - Last post by varaider
Cooper had 6-65 and a TD and Gallup had 119 yds.

It would be hard to find a one cell creatue in the Galaxy that is dumber than peters

Who's playing next week?

Peters or Cooper?

In the game of football (especially playoffs)... the winner can say whatever the FUCK he wants...  there is no "Game 2"...

IJS...

That's the exact response I would expect from you, you and Peters would get along great.

That's probably the exact response you'd get from 99% of the football world...

"To the winner goes the spoils"...

Exactly the response I knew I'd get from you, Always gotta make it personal tho, like a lil bitch...

 ;D ;D ;D

21 other guys on the field that made up for the liability that is Peters. Really something to brag about, especially when Troy Aikmen made a point of calling him out on the broadcast.

Please keep posting your immence football knowledge on this forum, lol

I'll ask you again...

Who's playing next week? Cooper or Peters?

It doesn't take an immense, with an S  o;) (talking about knowledge, lol) amount of football knowledge to understand that, but yet, look at you... confused... (Still trying to make it about me, lmao)

The point I'm making (and have been this entire time) is that Peters can say whatever the hell he wants, right or wrong, because at the end of the day, he's playing in the NFC Championship and Cooper is not...

No matter what opinion you have on the kid and his play... nothing you say about him changes that fact... Again... which was my whole point to begin with... "To the winner goes the spoils"... This is common sentiment among all sports, hence the saying to begin with... (dating back to the early 1800's)

And do you honestly think he (or I) give a shit about what you say about him (me) in the first place?

Ha Ha...

 16 
 on: January 15, 2019, 07:25:56 PM 
Started by ElevatorRaidersfanPA - Last post by varaider
I would hardly call any of the names I mentioned as a Joe Shmoe type players. All are former pro-bowlers, Superbowl winners, and/or Hall of Famer's. But OK.

ALL HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE OF REPLACING DEREK CARR ON THE OAKLAND RAIDERS! 
So obviously, they aren't included in my "Joe Shmoe" reference... I'm talking about 2019 Derek Carr my brother... Not NFL Films...

Ok, but all of them were either late round picks or league journeyman. I'm sure the late rounders weren't considered big names (obvious since they went late rounds) and the journeymen weren't considered to be franchise QB's. (since their previous teams let them go or traded them) But they still came in, changed minds, and won Championships. So who the Joe Shmoe is in 2019 could be anyone. It could even be Peterman! (Ha! I really doubt it though!)

I would agree that as rounds (draft) or years (journeyman) go by, the odds of finding a gem get worse. But it's still a possibility that seems to happen at least fairly often.

Again, who is this prodigal savior you speak of?  Because without a name, wouldn't "Joe Shmoe" be an accurate assessment... (Considering Joe Shmoe basically means a nobody)


IMO it would be an accurate assessment if Joe Schmoe meant anybody instead of nobody. The prodigal savior could be anybody. Take your pick. Who's some free agent QB's this year? Tyrod Taylor, Fitz, Osweiler. I can look at most and think it couldn't happen, but the fact is it could happen to any of them. The next team they are on could be the team that everything seems to fit together and they make huge strides in their game. 


I'm not sorry I feel differently. Nor am I sorry you feel differently. We can disagree and that is fine. I'm good with that. I feel there can be plenty of in between and in between opinions. And I will respect anyone's opinion as long as the respect flows both ways.  :cheers

I'm just not sure what you're disagreeing with, that's all...  None of the guys you mentioned are suiting up for the Raiders.... And all I said, was it would have to be a "big name" draft pick, or "big name" FA to legitimately challenge him for his spot... Or it would be no challenge at all...

I'm just disagreeing on your opinion that it would have to be a big name at all. It could be anybody. As we look at players from one end of the spectrum to the other (big name to no name) the odds of finding that legitimate challenger decrease. But it can still happen and does.

Again, if you think some no name QB is going to come in here and beat out Carr while getting 2% of the snaps in camp, more power to ya..

If only it were that easy,  no one would have QB problems...

And no, it doesn't happen brother...  I can't even remember (right now) the last time it did, outside of injury or a team having a pathetic start to a season....

I'm telling you, no one is coming here to "beat out" Carr, no one not named Nick Foles, Haskins, Murray or whoever else is projected as a top QB prospect...

And again, mentioning all these old timers doesn't serve a purpose here.  None of them are suiting up... And of course hindsight is 20/20.... 

You keep stretching it to the Old Timers and other teams... What you're suggesting has microscopic to no chance at happening in 2019 with Derek Carr and Gruden's Raiders...  It's either going to be Carr's show... with some lame at backup... Or we'll sign a big name QB or draft one of the top prospects... and have a TRUE quarterback competition...

Tyrod?  Fitz?  Osweiler?  Gtfoh man, lol....  We're not signing ANY of those guys with the hope that they come here and "beat out" Carr for the starting job...  If so.. and if that's your opinion, we're fucking doomed, lol... I get what you're saying, I do... but the chances of that shit happening next season... well...

 17 
 on: January 15, 2019, 06:39:24 PM 
Started by Raider 8 - Last post by Raider 8
Cooper had 6-65 and a TD and Gallup had 119 yds.

It would be hard to find a one cell creatue in the Galaxy that is dumber than peters

Who's playing next week?

Peters or Cooper?

In the game of football (especially playoffs)... the winner can say whatever the FUCK he wants...  there is no "Game 2"...

IJS...

That's the exact response I would expect from you, you and Peters would get along great.

That's probably the exact response you'd get from 99% of the football world...

"To the winner goes the spoils"...

Exactly the response I knew I'd get from you, Always gotta make it personal tho, like a lil bitch...

 ;D ;D ;D

21 other guys on the field that made up for the liability that is Peters. Really something to brag about, especially when Troy Aikmen made a point of calling him out on the broadcast.

Please keep posting your immence football knowledge on this forum, lol

 18 
 on: January 15, 2019, 06:27:37 PM 
Started by ElevatorRaidersfanPA - Last post by Earl
I would hardly call any of the names I mentioned as a Joe Shmoe type players. All are former pro-bowlers, Superbowl winners, and/or Hall of Famer's. But OK.

ALL HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE OF REPLACING DEREK CARR ON THE OAKLAND RAIDERS! 
So obviously, they aren't included in my "Joe Shmoe" reference... I'm talking about 2019 Derek Carr my brother... Not NFL Films...

Ok, but all of them were either late round picks or league journeyman. I'm sure the late rounders weren't considered big names (obvious since they went late rounds) and the journeymen weren't considered to be franchise QB's. (since their previous teams let them go or traded them) But they still came in, changed minds, and won Championships. So who the Joe Shmoe is in 2019 could be anyone. It could even be Peterman! (Ha! I really doubt it though!)

I would agree that as rounds (draft) or years (journeyman) go by, the odds of finding a gem get worse. But it's still a possibility that seems to happen at least fairly often.

Again, who is this prodigal savior you speak of?  Because without a name, wouldn't "Joe Shmoe" be an accurate assessment... (Considering Joe Shmoe basically means a nobody)


IMO it would be an accurate assessment if Joe Schmoe meant anybody instead of nobody. The prodigal savior could be anybody. Take your pick. Who's some free agent QB's this year? Tyrod Taylor, Fitz, Osweiler. I can look at most and think it couldn't happen, but the fact is it could happen to any of them. The next team they are on could be the team that everything seems to fit together and they make huge strides in their game. 


I'm not sorry I feel differently. Nor am I sorry you feel differently. We can disagree and that is fine. I'm good with that. I feel there can be plenty of in between and in between opinions. And I will respect anyone's opinion as long as the respect flows both ways.  :cheers

I'm just not sure what you're disagreeing with, that's all...  None of the guys you mentioned are suiting up for the Raiders.... And all I said, was it would have to be a "big name" draft pick, or "big name" FA to legitimately challenge him for his spot... Or it would be no challenge at all...

I'm just disagreeing on your opinion that it would have to be a big name at all. It could be anybody. As we look at players from one end of the spectrum to the other (big name to no name) the odds of finding that legitimate challenger decrease. But it can still happen and does. 


 19 
 on: January 15, 2019, 05:44:19 PM 
Started by 805raiderslo - Last post by 805raiderslo
No way.. he's a "Reggie" guy... And Reggie sucked at draft picks... Not possible...

Miller was Gruden/Cable's guy...

Gareon Conley
Karl Joseph
Amari Cooper
Khalil Mack

Just saying, his last 4 first round picks were ass... even tho 2 of them broke out this year, and the other 2 got us 3 first rounders in return...
I knew it!!
I Love VA.. dude makes it poppin up in here!

 20 
 on: January 15, 2019, 05:24:47 PM 
Started by 805raiderslo - Last post by varaider
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#Raiders CB Gareon Conley's 72.8 passer rating allowed when targeted this season ranked 9th among 85 cornerbacks that played 300+ coverage snaps
 
#RaiderNation
@Raiders
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