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 on: Today at 12:08:16 AM 
Started by ghostmech - Last post by CB
And que.........

"What else would you expect him to say?"



I think we all can admit that you can't really believe shit that comes out of Gruden's mouth...

Or any HC, GM or any other team executive.

 on: November 19, 2018, 08:12:04 PM 
Started by The one - Last post by varaider
That was a fun game.

I’ll tell you what....there was so many raider fans there, man. We travel well.

I was expecting a little shit talking...I was raidered from head to toe....nothing.

That shit would never happen in Oakland.

Good time.

I want the first pick and all...but I’ll admit, I lost my voice on that last drive. Couldn’t help it.

I'll be in the building next week in Bmore...

Last time, Raiders took over after the game... with the Raider Chant blasting all through to walkways...

I don't think we'll be excited this week, lol...   Their defense is stout... and Jackson will probably scramble all over us...

 on: November 19, 2018, 08:09:50 PM 
Started by ghostmech - Last post by varaider
And que.........

"What else would you expect him to say?"



I think we all can admit that you can't really believe shit that comes out of Gruden's mouth...

 on: November 19, 2018, 07:50:03 PM 
Started by The one - Last post by Earl
For a couple of guys who are supposed to be in the process of “tanking” a season to secure the top spot the NFL draft, Jon Gruden and Derek Carr acted Sunday in a manner that suggested a 23-21 road win over the Arizona Cardinals was kind of a big deal.

They acted that way during the game, when at least two disagreements went viral on Twitter. They acted that way after the game, when they were clearly happy and relieved to have snapped a five-game losing streak.

For those who believe in the myth of game day tanking, your day was ruined the moment Daniel Carlson kicked a 35-yard field goal as time expired.

So what if the Raiders beat the only team in the NFL which was capable of furnishing such a win?

To see coach and quarterback care enough to turn into the bickering Bickersons was something both men needed going forward and served as evidence the Raiders wanted to win in the worst way.

And yes, this was the worst way, given the level of play exhibited by both teams.

Gruden vs. Carr got lots of attention. In reality, it was no worse than Gruden vs. Jeff George, Gruden vs. Donald Hollas, Gruden vs. Rich Gannon, Gruden vs. Brad Johnson, Brian Griese, Chris Simms, Jeff Garcia or any other quarterback you care to name.

The first one came after Carr missed a deep strike to Jalen Richard, isolated on a linebacker, rather than take a safe throw for the first down.

“That’s the first time you’ve seen it, but it isn’t the first time it’s happened,” Gruden said. “We had a man-to-man situation, and he went for the big play. We had a mild disagreement. But you know what? That’s part of this business. We’re going to have times where we clash a little bit.”

It’s what Gruden does, or used to do. Considering the way the Raiders have played this season, you could make the argument Gruden has been too easy on Carr. He used to stay up nights thinking of ways to apply the needle to Gannon, and it was time to drop the kid gloves act.

Raiders quarterback Derek Carr completed two big passes on the final drive.
Carr may not swear and is painfully polite on Monday through Saturday, but he’s got his own fiery side. He’s shot some pretty serious glares at receivers who run the wrong route, including one directed at Seth Roberts in the fourth quarter before the veteran came up with the play that set up the game-winning field goal.

Clashing with the head coach in this case is a good thing. If Gruden and Carr are going to succeed as head coach and CEO quarterback, it shouldn’t be smooth and easy. Especially after a five-game losing streak.

“We’re both yelling the same kinds of things, a `just fix it’ kind of a deal,” Carr said. “It’s not the first time. I doubt it will be the last time. Everything’s good, I promise.”

Carr came through when it mattered, with a 32-yard pass to rookie Marcell Ateman and then a 20-yard quick screen to Roberts to set up Carlson with the winning points. It took some seriously poor clock management from Arizona down the stretch to make it happen.

It came after the Raiders had nothing but walkthroughs on an off-site indoor facility that didn’t have hash marks and wasn’t big enough for a football team, a minor inconvenience giving the devastation of the Paradise Camp Fire.

During the game, wide receiver Brandon LaFell was lost with an Achilles injury that will likely end his season. Doug Martin, the leading rusher in the first half, sat out the second half with an ankle injury.

So Frostee Rucker, a former Cardinal who along with Ateman and Carlson got game balls, made it clear afterward he wasn’t about to belittle the effort or pretend it was just another game. He was proud to be a part of it and said as much.

As it stands, the 49ers vaulted to the top spot with six games remaining, followed by the Cardinals, and then the Raiders, with all three teams at 2-8.

That’s not to say the Raiders couldn’t still get the top pick, but that’s not their goal, and never has been. Not on game days, anyway.

The whole notion that Gruden would coach to lose and that the Raiders would play to lose on Sunday is laughable. Many of the fans and media who rue a late-season victory for draft purposes would never consider doing their own jobs halfway.

Go ahead and attach the term “tanking” to the trades that sent Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper out of town to add to their draft cache in the first round because it was a move made for 2019 that weakened a roster in 2018. But trying to lose on Sunday is a preposterous notion that exceeds all boundaries of logic and common sense. It doesn’t take into account the competitive nature of those who have reached the pinnacle of their professions.

It’s because of those transactions that the Raiders really don’t have to be concerned with the No. 1 overall pick, because they’ll be in position to move up to No. 1 if there is a player they absolutely must have.

But that’s a discussion for April 25, when the first round commences in Nashville, and it was the farthest thing from the minds of Gruden, Carr, defensive coordinator Paul Guenther and the rest of the most beleaguered Raiders team in memory.

The Raiders aren’t necessarily a better team because they beat the Cardinals, but they were at least a team that cared enough not to lose.

Gruden and Carr simply provided the exclamation point.

 on: November 19, 2018, 07:43:23 PM 
Started by ghostmech - Last post by Earl
And que.........

"What else would you expect him to say?"


 on: November 19, 2018, 07:42:07 PM 
Started by ghostmech - Last post by Earl
Jon Gruden, Derek Carr downplay sideline spat, insist 'everything's good'

Both Jon Gruden and Derek Carr insisted the heated conversation between coach and quarterback late in the first half of the Oakland Raiders' 23-21 victory over the Arizona Cardinals was not their first such discussion, Paul Gutierrez of ESPN reports.

Nor will it be the last.

What was different this time, though, was that the exchange was caught on camera, and that tight end Lee Smith played peacemaker, of sorts, by putting a hand on the back of Gruden's neck in an effort to calm the situation.

Gruden got after Carr after he missed Jalen Richard badly down the right sideline on a third-down pass.

"That's the first time you've seen it," Gruden said with an impish grin, "but it isn't the first time it's happened. We're both competitors. We're competing hard there. We had a man-to-man situation and he went for the big play.

"We had a mild disagreement. But you know what, that's part of this business. We're going to have times where we clash a little bit but we're also very supportive of one another. I'm really proud of him. He's been through a lot this year, and I'm glad he's our quarterback."

A storyline coming into the season revolved around how Carr would adapt to the notoriously-hard-on-his-quarterbacks Gruden. But Gruden has made a point to pump Carr up with positivity at every turn.

That's what made the sideline exchange in Week 11 so unique.

Still, Carr said he was "surprised" it took this long for cameras to catch them getting after it on the sidelines.

"We're both very fiery -- a lot of people don't see that in me, all the time -- we're both competitive," Carr said. "A minor disagreement on something and the beautiful thing is, when we do that, it's not a demeaning thing or pointing a finger. We're both yelling the same kind of thing, almost: 'Let's fix it!'

"Everything's good, I promise."

 on: November 19, 2018, 06:43:54 PM 
Started by ghostmech - Last post by CB
Gannon never made a Pro Bowl until he was with Gru. And he did that 1999-2002. But the MVP season was 2002 without.

Carr made the Pro Bowl last year...  o;)
I think he was voted in during 2016 season but couldn't play due to his broken leg.

Gruden and Carr yelling at each other wasn't a good thing......until it was. It looked like on the last drive they were finally on the same page.

Maybe Carr is figuring out Gruden's offense and this is something to build on.

Hey, I will take any shred of positive I can find.

 on: November 19, 2018, 05:39:54 PM 
Started by ghostmech - Last post by varaider
Gannon never made a Pro Bowl until he was with Gru. And he did that 1999-2002. But the MVP season was 2002 without.

Carr made the Pro Bowl last year...  o;)

 on: November 19, 2018, 05:25:49 PM 
Started by 805raiderslo - Last post by Raider 8
I agree to to shelve Carr.  Can’t have him getting hurt and losing trade value.  Let the backup an get reps.  Because if we trade Carr then he’s gonna need to be ready for next year

I don't think shelving Carr will increase his trade value. If anything it will decrease it. I think for us to be able to trade him and turn a profit (better than the second round spot we drafted him in) he needs to show that he is still an above average or better QB. To do that, he needs to play and improve.

If he plays and improves then why trade him? I think we've seen the range of what Carr can be. Unless the supporting cast is amazing, he's average. The organization needs to commit to Carr,or trade him and draft somebody. He is what he is

Honestly, I'd rather keep Carr and just go out and get/draft another quarterback and let them duel it out...

There's no doubt that he would be a serviceable backup... And the big money part of his contract is pretty much over, in terms of dead cap

I agree with competition. The problem is that if we're sticking with Carr, we need every pick we have to put some playmakers around him and build the defense. For there to be a real competition we'd have to spend a high pick on a QB. We really can't afford to do that right now.

We have 5 1st rounders over the next 2 years...  6 really, because our 2nd rounder will be high as fuck...

Trading any one of those picks, can net us at least 2 more 1st rounders in return...

I'd say now is a better time as any to be able to afford it... Whereas most years, you only have 1 pick in the 1st round...

(At least that's the way I look at it, we got em to spend)

So we have a franchise QB making 25 million a season, and we draft a QB in the first round to compete with him. And the loser of the competition is the back up. And if it's the rookie, he's still a first rounder so he's making 8 million or so.

I just think either Carr is the guy or he's not. Make a decision and go with it. If he's the guy then use those first rounders on reciever or RB, and make a run at a Superbowl. If he's not the guy then cut him and pick our next QB with a first round pick.

We need to figure out what are plan is and do it. We have so many holes that we can't waste any resources draft or FA.

Our number 1 reciever is Seth Roberts, our number 1 RB is Doug martin. We're a mess

 on: November 19, 2018, 04:58:54 PM 
Started by ghostmech - Last post by Earl
Gannon never made a Pro Bowl until he was with Gru. And he did that 1999-2002. But the MVP season was 2002 without.

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