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Title: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: Raider 8 on February 06, 2019, 11:58:21 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/06/donald-penn-khalil-mack-trade-took-a-toll-on-raiders/
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 09, 2019, 01:37:45 PM
I'm sure it did.  Just like both times you got our qb broken.  So stfu.  I cannot wait for you to no longer be a raider.
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: varaider on February 09, 2019, 03:31:11 PM
I'm sure it did.  Just like both times you got our qb broken.  So stfu.  I cannot wait for you to no longer be a raider.

Yikes!

Penn has been the best T we've had here since fucking Kennedy... Even right now at 35 years old, coming off injury... Donald Penn is the best LT (or tackle period) on the team, and arguably the entire AFC West (Fisher from KC being the other)... 

2017, sacks with Penn playing 14 games in = 20
2018, without Penn at LT and/or injured = 51

Yea, let's cut this guy... (and continue to complain about pass protection, lol)... Makes sense...
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: Raider 8 on February 09, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
The timing of it would have taken a toll on any team. Same with the Cooper trade.
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 09, 2019, 11:51:28 PM
I'm sure it did.  Just like both times you got our qb broken.  So stfu.  I cannot wait for you to no longer be a raider.

Yikes!

Penn has been the best T we've had here since fucking Kennedy... Even right now at 35 years old, coming off injury... Donald Penn is the best LT (or tackle period) on the team, and arguably the entire AFC West (Fisher from KC being the other)... 

2017, sacks with Penn playing 14 games in = 20
2018, without Penn at LT and/or injured = 51

Yea, let's cut this guy... (and continue to complain about pass protection, lol)... Makes sense...
I'm good with cutting every offensive lineman other than our center honestly.  To much money invested in 4 underperforming guys
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: varaider on February 10, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
I'm sure it did.  Just like both times you got our qb broken.  So stfu.  I cannot wait for you to no longer be a raider.

Yikes!

Penn has been the best T we've had here since fucking Kennedy... Even right now at 35 years old, coming off injury... Donald Penn is the best LT (or tackle period) on the team, and arguably the entire AFC West (Fisher from KC being the other)... 

2017, sacks with Penn playing 14 games in = 20
2018, without Penn at LT and/or injured = 51

Yea, let's cut this guy... (and continue to complain about pass protection, lol)... Makes sense...
I'm good with cutting every offensive lineman other than our center honestly.  To much money invested in 4 underperforming guys

What are you talking about bro?  Lol.  The most underperforming guys were the 2 rookie Tackles...  Hell, even Feliciano played good, literally, when he filled in, before being put on IR (after finishing a game with a torn calf muscle I believe)...

Jackson actually played the whole season with a torn pectoral muscle, that happened in the Week 1 Rams game... He played the last few games of his season with a fractured elbow...

KO had his share of injuries as well, and played good this season, just not outstanding...

Between KO (4), Hudson (1), Jackson (3) and Penn (3)... they gave up 11 of the 51 (FIFTY-ONE) sacks given up this season...

Seems to me like you're placing the blame on the wrong people... Hiring the worst OL coach in the league didn't help either....
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: Raider 8 on February 10, 2019, 11:37:49 AM
I'm sure it did.  Just like both times you got our qb broken.  So stfu.  I cannot wait for you to no longer be a raider.

Yikes!

Penn has been the best T we've had here since fucking Kennedy... Even right now at 35 years old, coming off injury... Donald Penn is the best LT (or tackle period) on the team, and arguably the entire AFC West (Fisher from KC being the other)... 

2017, sacks with Penn playing 14 games in = 20
2018, without Penn at LT and/or injured = 51

Yea, let's cut this guy... (and continue to complain about pass protection, lol)... Makes sense...
I'm good with cutting every offensive lineman other than our center honestly.  To much money invested in 4 underperforming guys

Gabe Jackson has become one of the better guards in football
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 10, 2019, 12:08:15 PM
I'm sure it did.  Just like both times you got our qb broken.  So stfu.  I cannot wait for you to no longer be a raider.

Yikes!

Penn has been the best T we've had here since fucking Kennedy... Even right now at 35 years old, coming off injury... Donald Penn is the best LT (or tackle period) on the team, and arguably the entire AFC West (Fisher from KC being the other)... 

2017, sacks with Penn playing 14 games in = 20
2018, without Penn at LT and/or injured = 51

Yea, let's cut this guy... (and continue to complain about pass protection, lol)... Makes sense...
I'm good with cutting every offensive lineman other than our center honestly.  To much money invested in 4 underperforming guys

What are you talking about bro?  Lol.  The most underperforming guys were the 2 rookie Tackles...  Hell, even Feliciano played good, literally, when he filled in, before being put on IR (after finishing a game with a torn calf muscle I believe)...

Jackson actually played the whole season with a torn pectoral muscle, that happened in the Week 1 Rams game... He played the last few games of his season with a fractured elbow...

KO had his share of injuries as well, and played good this season, just not outstanding...

Between KO (4), Hudson (1), Jackson (3) and Penn (3)... they gave up 11 of the 51 (FIFTY-ONE) sacks given up this season...

Seems to me like you're placing the blame on the wrong people... Hiring the worst OL coach in the league didn't help either....
let's start with the sentence.  The most underperforming.  Which implies they aren't the only ones.  Yes?  And dont hit me with that bullshit...our offensive line coach thing.  I was the first one screaming about him.  Day one.. on the date he got hired.  Yes he sucks nuts.  Obviously the cable guy needs to go.  Throw numbers around all u like.  But the fact of the matter is our qb got sacked like 50 some odd times.  Unacceptable.  Heads should roll.  And were rebuilding so fuck it.  Next man up
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: varaider on February 10, 2019, 08:33:57 PM
I'm sure it did.  Just like both times you got our qb broken.  So stfu.  I cannot wait for you to no longer be a raider.

Yikes!

Penn has been the best T we've had here since fucking Kennedy... Even right now at 35 years old, coming off injury... Donald Penn is the best LT (or tackle period) on the team, and arguably the entire AFC West (Fisher from KC being the other)... 

2017, sacks with Penn playing 14 games in = 20
2018, without Penn at LT and/or injured = 51

Yea, let's cut this guy... (and continue to complain about pass protection, lol)... Makes sense...
I'm good with cutting every offensive lineman other than our center honestly.  To much money invested in 4 underperforming guys

What are you talking about bro?  Lol.  The most underperforming guys were the 2 rookie Tackles...  Hell, even Feliciano played good, literally, when he filled in, before being put on IR (after finishing a game with a torn calf muscle I believe)...

Jackson actually played the whole season with a torn pectoral muscle, that happened in the Week 1 Rams game... He played the last few games of his season with a fractured elbow...

KO had his share of injuries as well, and played good this season, just not outstanding...

Between KO (4), Hudson (1), Jackson (3) and Penn (3)... they gave up 11 of the 51 (FIFTY-ONE) sacks given up this season...

Seems to me like you're placing the blame on the wrong people... Hiring the worst OL coach in the league didn't help either....
let's start with the sentence.  The most underperforming.  Which implies they aren't the only ones.  Yes?  And dont hit me with that bullshit...our offensive line coach thing.  I was the first one screaming about him.  Day one.. on the date he got hired.  Yes he sucks nuts.  Obviously the cable guy needs to go.  Throw numbers around all u like.  But the fact of the matter is our qb got sacked like 50 some odd times.  Unacceptable.  Heads should roll.  And were rebuilding so fuck it.  Next man up

You do understand that outside of the "big money" lineman... the "other" guys gave up almost 40 of those sacks, right?

Which is why I was saying you're pointing the blame at the wrong guys...

Our "big money" guys are (and have been) playing up to their contracts... So why get rid of them, and start all over?

I dig that you want to clean house... but while cleaning house, it would be smart to keep the areas that are already "clean" intact?  Right?

Or do you REALLY want to start from scratch, rebuild the entire team... and be in yet another, 4-5 year process?

A good OL take YEARS to build... and we're just a Tackle away from our 2016 production, IMO...
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 11, 2019, 05:41:31 AM
I'm sure it did.  Just like both times you got our qb broken.  So stfu.  I cannot wait for you to no longer be a raider.

Yikes!

Penn has been the best T we've had here since fucking Kennedy... Even right now at 35 years old, coming off injury... Donald Penn is the best LT (or tackle period) on the team, and arguably the entire AFC West (Fisher from KC being the other)... 

2017, sacks with Penn playing 14 games in = 20
2018, without Penn at LT and/or injured = 51

Yea, let's cut this guy... (and continue to complain about pass protection, lol)... Makes sense...
I'm good with cutting every offensive lineman other than our center honestly.  To much money invested in 4 underperforming guys

What are you talking about bro?  Lol.  The most underperforming guys were the 2 rookie Tackles...  Hell, even Feliciano played good, literally, when he filled in, before being put on IR (after finishing a game with a torn calf muscle I believe)...

Jackson actually played the whole season with a torn pectoral muscle, that happened in the Week 1 Rams game... He played the last few games of his season with a fractured elbow...

KO had his share of injuries as well, and played good this season, just not outstanding...

Between KO (4), Hudson (1), Jackson (3) and Penn (3)... they gave up 11 of the 51 (FIFTY-ONE) sacks given up this season...

Seems to me like you're placing the blame on the wrong people... Hiring the worst OL coach in the league didn't help either....
let's start with the sentence.  The most underperforming.  Which implies they aren't the only ones.  Yes?  And dont hit me with that bullshit...our offensive line coach thing.  I was the first one screaming about him.  Day one.. on the date he got hired.  Yes he sucks nuts.  Obviously the cable guy needs to go.  Throw numbers around all u like.  But the fact of the matter is our qb got sacked like 50 some odd times.  Unacceptable.  Heads should roll.  And were rebuilding so fuck it.  Next man up

You do understand that outside of the "big money" lineman... the "other" guys gave up almost 40 of those sacks, right?

Which is why I was saying you're pointing the blame at the wrong guys...

Our "big money" guys are (and have been) playing up to their contracts... So why get rid of them, and start all over?

I dig that you want to clean house... but while cleaning house, it would be smart to keep the areas that are already "clean" intact?  Right?

Or do you REALLY want to start from scratch, rebuild the entire team... and be in yet another, 4-5 year process?

A good OL take YEARS to build... and we're just a Tackle away from our 2016 production, IMO...
by the time were relevant again those contract will be up anyhow.  Why pay premium price. When were gonna be sucking anyway?
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: The Prole on February 11, 2019, 11:26:03 AM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 11, 2019, 07:26:54 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: 805raiderslo on February 11, 2019, 08:50:43 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back
I will say this.... Miller did a hell of a job protecting Carr's blind side for the first couple before he got injured going against some of the best pass rushers... Penn isn't a necessity anymore, but a must for depth and leadership. It would be foolish to shit can him.
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: varaider on February 11, 2019, 09:26:08 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.

This...

Moreso Penn than Miller.... But I do think Miller makes a big stride from year 1 to year 2...

But I still prefer Penn at LT...
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: varaider on February 11, 2019, 09:36:51 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back

Some of the best Tackles in NFL history were "old"...

I wouldn't calla guy who hadn't missed a single game due to injury for 10 seasons "injury prone"...

And currently, he counts as 3% towards our cap... and is the 20th highest paid Tackle in the league...

And Carr's injuries were FLUKE... could happen with even the BEST tackle in the league... With his leg, that was the first sack Penn gave up that entire season (at like week 16 or 17)....  And even Carr admits himself, that he should have went down, instead of trying to break out...

I also believe the back injury was the first sack given up that year as well... Shit happens... Maybe its the QB who's "injury prone"...

You say take a drastic pay cut, as if we don't have to pay someone ELSE, at the most EXPENSIVE position on the OL...  Dude is 20th in salary... That's a bargain...

Penn should be the LEAST of our worries at Tackle, for at LEAST this year and next... He can still play... IF they move him back to where he belongs... LT... That was the dumbest move ever, IMO...  Another example of Gruden outsmarting himself...  (If it ain't broke don't fix it)
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 12, 2019, 05:54:07 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back

Some of the best Tackles in NFL history were "old"...

I wouldn't calla guy who hadn't missed a single game due to injury for 10 seasons "injury prone"...

And currently, he counts as 3% towards our cap... and is the 20th highest paid Tackle in the league...

And Carr's injuries were FLUKE... could happen with even the BEST tackle in the league... With his leg, that was the first sack Penn gave up that entire season (at like week 16 or 17)....  And even Carr admits himself, that he should have went down, instead of trying to break out...

I also believe the back injury was the first sack given up that year as well... Shit happens... Maybe its the QB who's "injury prone"...

You say take a drastic pay cut, as if we don't have to pay someone ELSE, at the most EXPENSIVE position on the OL...  Dude is 20th in salary... That's a bargain...

Penn should be the LEAST of our worries at Tackle, for at LEAST this year and next... He can still play... IF they move him back to where he belongs... LT... That was the dumbest move ever, IMO...  Another example of Gruden outsmarting himself...  (If it ain't broke don't fix it)
yes.  But do.you want to be standing there holding the hot potatoes when he goes on IR for the rest of the year again and the decides to retire?  No thanks let someone else eat that dead cap.  No thanks were rebuilding man.....Donald Penn more than any other Offensive lineman just makes sense.  Find someone younger and cheaper
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: varaider on February 12, 2019, 05:57:20 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back

Some of the best Tackles in NFL history were "old"...

I wouldn't calla guy who hadn't missed a single game due to injury for 10 seasons "injury prone"...

And currently, he counts as 3% towards our cap... and is the 20th highest paid Tackle in the league...

And Carr's injuries were FLUKE... could happen with even the BEST tackle in the league... With his leg, that was the first sack Penn gave up that entire season (at like week 16 or 17)....  And even Carr admits himself, that he should have went down, instead of trying to break out...

I also believe the back injury was the first sack given up that year as well... Shit happens... Maybe its the QB who's "injury prone"...

You say take a drastic pay cut, as if we don't have to pay someone ELSE, at the most EXPENSIVE position on the OL...  Dude is 20th in salary... That's a bargain...

Penn should be the LEAST of our worries at Tackle, for at LEAST this year and next... He can still play... IF they move him back to where he belongs... LT... That was the dumbest move ever, IMO...  Another example of Gruden outsmarting himself...  (If it ain't broke don't fix it)
yes.  But do.you want to be standing there holding the hot potatoes when he goes on IR for the rest of the year again and the decides to retire?  No thanks let someone else eat that dead cap.  No thanks were rebuilding man.....Donald Penn more than any other Offensive lineman just makes sense.  Find someone younger and cheaper

Another team can't "eat" another team's dead cap... It's dead meaning it belongs to whatever team cut/traded the player...

We found someone younger/cheaper last season... he ended up being the worst Tackle in the league...

Do you want to hold the potatoes if he plays out the whole season?  Works both ways brother...

It would be STUPID to get rid of Penn, at his salary... with the current Tackles we have...
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 12, 2019, 06:02:53 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back

Some of the best Tackles in NFL history were "old"...

I wouldn't calla guy who hadn't missed a single game due to injury for 10 seasons "injury prone"...

And currently, he counts as 3% towards our cap... and is the 20th highest paid Tackle in the league...

And Carr's injuries were FLUKE... could happen with even the BEST tackle in the league... With his leg, that was the first sack Penn gave up that entire season (at like week 16 or 17)....  And even Carr admits himself, that he should have went down, instead of trying to break out...

I also believe the back injury was the first sack given up that year as well... Shit happens... Maybe its the QB who's "injury prone"...

You say take a drastic pay cut, as if we don't have to pay someone ELSE, at the most EXPENSIVE position on the OL...  Dude is 20th in salary... That's a bargain...

Penn should be the LEAST of our worries at Tackle, for at LEAST this year and next... He can still play... IF they move him back to where he belongs... LT... That was the dumbest move ever, IMO...  Another example of Gruden outsmarting himself...  (If it ain't broke don't fix it)
yes.  But do.you want to be standing there holding the hot potatoes when he goes on IR for the rest of the year again and the decides to retire?  No thanks let someone else eat that dead cap.  No thanks were rebuilding man.....Donald Penn more than any other Offensive lineman just makes sense.  Find someone younger and cheaper

Another team can't "eat" another team's dead cap... It's dead meaning it belongs to whatever team cut/traded the player...

We found someone younger/cheaper last season... he ended up being the worst Tackle in the league...

Do you want to hold the potatoes if he plays out the whole season?  Works both ways brother...

It would be STUPID to get rid of Penn, at his salary... with the current Tackles we have...
hahahaha your making one incorrect assumption.  I'm not looking to win again next year.  That's why I dont care who's under center.  That's why I dont care who's protecting.  Fuck the vets on this team.  They quit on themselves.  They can all go except a select few and all the up and comers.  Let the Vegas team not be tainted by that bullshit we saw.  By the team that imploded itself.  Let Vegas get a fresh start
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: varaider on February 12, 2019, 07:17:01 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back

Some of the best Tackles in NFL history were "old"...

I wouldn't calla guy who hadn't missed a single game due to injury for 10 seasons "injury prone"...

And currently, he counts as 3% towards our cap... and is the 20th highest paid Tackle in the league...

And Carr's injuries were FLUKE... could happen with even the BEST tackle in the league... With his leg, that was the first sack Penn gave up that entire season (at like week 16 or 17)....  And even Carr admits himself, that he should have went down, instead of trying to break out...

I also believe the back injury was the first sack given up that year as well... Shit happens... Maybe its the QB who's "injury prone"...

You say take a drastic pay cut, as if we don't have to pay someone ELSE, at the most EXPENSIVE position on the OL...  Dude is 20th in salary... That's a bargain...

Penn should be the LEAST of our worries at Tackle, for at LEAST this year and next... He can still play... IF they move him back to where he belongs... LT... That was the dumbest move ever, IMO...  Another example of Gruden outsmarting himself...  (If it ain't broke don't fix it)
yes.  But do.you want to be standing there holding the hot potatoes when he goes on IR for the rest of the year again and the decides to retire?  No thanks let someone else eat that dead cap.  No thanks were rebuilding man.....Donald Penn more than any other Offensive lineman just makes sense.  Find someone younger and cheaper

Another team can't "eat" another team's dead cap... It's dead meaning it belongs to whatever team cut/traded the player...

We found someone younger/cheaper last season... he ended up being the worst Tackle in the league...

Do you want to hold the potatoes if he plays out the whole season?  Works both ways brother...

It would be STUPID to get rid of Penn, at his salary... with the current Tackles we have...
hahahaha your making one incorrect assumption.  I'm not looking to win again next year.  That's why I dont care who's under center.  That's why I dont care who's protecting.  Fuck the vets on this team.  They quit on themselves.  They can all go except a select few and all the up and comers.  Let the Vegas team not be tainted by that bullshit we saw.  By the team that imploded itself.  Let Vegas get a fresh start

I'm always looking to win... sorry...
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 13, 2019, 05:19:04 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back

Some of the best Tackles in NFL history were "old"...

I wouldn't calla guy who hadn't missed a single game due to injury for 10 seasons "injury prone"...

And currently, he counts as 3% towards our cap... and is the 20th highest paid Tackle in the league...

And Carr's injuries were FLUKE... could happen with even the BEST tackle in the league... With his leg, that was the first sack Penn gave up that entire season (at like week 16 or 17)....  And even Carr admits himself, that he should have went down, instead of trying to break out...

I also believe the back injury was the first sack given up that year as well... Shit happens... Maybe its the QB who's "injury prone"...

You say take a drastic pay cut, as if we don't have to pay someone ELSE, at the most EXPENSIVE position on the OL...  Dude is 20th in salary... That's a bargain...

Penn should be the LEAST of our worries at Tackle, for at LEAST this year and next... He can still play... IF they move him back to where he belongs... LT... That was the dumbest move ever, IMO...  Another example of Gruden outsmarting himself...  (If it ain't broke don't fix it)
yes.  But do.you want to be standing there holding the hot potatoes when he goes on IR for the rest of the year again and the decides to retire?  No thanks let someone else eat that dead cap.  No thanks were rebuilding man.....Donald Penn more than any other Offensive lineman just makes sense.  Find someone younger and cheaper

Another team can't "eat" another team's dead cap... It's dead meaning it belongs to whatever team cut/traded the player...

We found someone younger/cheaper last season... he ended up being the worst Tackle in the league...

Do you want to hold the potatoes if he plays out the whole season?  Works both ways brother...

It would be STUPID to get rid of Penn, at his salary... with the current Tackles we have...
hahahaha your making one incorrect assumption.  I'm not looking to win again next year.  That's why I dont care who's under center.  That's why I dont care who's protecting.  Fuck the vets on this team.  They quit on themselves.  They can all go except a select few and all the up and comers.  Let the Vegas team not be tainted by that bullshit we saw.  By the team that imploded itself.  Let Vegas get a fresh start

I'm always looking to win... sorry...
I wanna win too.  But I don't just want one year then nothing.  This team had its chance. They couldn't maintain it. 
Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: varaider on February 14, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back

Some of the best Tackles in NFL history were "old"...

I wouldn't calla guy who hadn't missed a single game due to injury for 10 seasons "injury prone"...

And currently, he counts as 3% towards our cap... and is the 20th highest paid Tackle in the league...

And Carr's injuries were FLUKE... could happen with even the BEST tackle in the league... With his leg, that was the first sack Penn gave up that entire season (at like week 16 or 17)....  And even Carr admits himself, that he should have went down, instead of trying to break out...

I also believe the back injury was the first sack given up that year as well... Shit happens... Maybe its the QB who's "injury prone"...

You say take a drastic pay cut, as if we don't have to pay someone ELSE, at the most EXPENSIVE position on the OL...  Dude is 20th in salary... That's a bargain...

Penn should be the LEAST of our worries at Tackle, for at LEAST this year and next... He can still play... IF they move him back to where he belongs... LT... That was the dumbest move ever, IMO...  Another example of Gruden outsmarting himself...  (If it ain't broke don't fix it)
yes.  But do.you want to be standing there holding the hot potatoes when he goes on IR for the rest of the year again and the decides to retire?  No thanks let someone else eat that dead cap.  No thanks were rebuilding man.....Donald Penn more than any other Offensive lineman just makes sense.  Find someone younger and cheaper

Another team can't "eat" another team's dead cap... It's dead meaning it belongs to whatever team cut/traded the player...

We found someone younger/cheaper last season... he ended up being the worst Tackle in the league...

Do you want to hold the potatoes if he plays out the whole season?  Works both ways brother...

It would be STUPID to get rid of Penn, at his salary... with the current Tackles we have...
hahahaha your making one incorrect assumption.  I'm not looking to win again next year.  That's why I dont care who's under center.  That's why I dont care who's protecting.  Fuck the vets on this team.  They quit on themselves.  They can all go except a select few and all the up and comers.  Let the Vegas team not be tainted by that bullshit we saw.  By the team that imploded itself.  Let Vegas get a fresh start

I'm always looking to win... sorry...
I wanna win too.  But I don't just want one year then nothing.  This team had its chance. They couldn't maintain it.

Coaching sucked just as much, if not more... for 2 years straight, IMO...

Title: Re: Penn "losing Mack took toll on team"
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 15, 2019, 12:51:26 PM
I'd rather cut the Cable-guy before any of our players on the line. I think all of them, Penn and Miller included, can perform at a high level under the right direction.
Penn is old, Injury prone and has us over paid.  Three very bad things to be during a rebuild if you want to retain your current job.  Either take a drastic pay cut or kick rocks.  Plus I'm still not over carrs back

Some of the best Tackles in NFL history were "old"...

I wouldn't calla guy who hadn't missed a single game due to injury for 10 seasons "injury prone"...

And currently, he counts as 3% towards our cap... and is the 20th highest paid Tackle in the league...

And Carr's injuries were FLUKE... could happen with even the BEST tackle in the league... With his leg, that was the first sack Penn gave up that entire season (at like week 16 or 17)....  And even Carr admits himself, that he should have went down, instead of trying to break out...

I also believe the back injury was the first sack given up that year as well... Shit happens... Maybe its the QB who's "injury prone"...

You say take a drastic pay cut, as if we don't have to pay someone ELSE, at the most EXPENSIVE position on the OL...  Dude is 20th in salary... That's a bargain...

Penn should be the LEAST of our worries at Tackle, for at LEAST this year and next... He can still play... IF they move him back to where he belongs... LT... That was the dumbest move ever, IMO...  Another example of Gruden outsmarting himself...  (If it ain't broke don't fix it)
yes.  But do.you want to be standing there holding the hot potatoes when he goes on IR for the rest of the year again and the decides to retire?  No thanks let someone else eat that dead cap.  No thanks were rebuilding man.....Donald Penn more than any other Offensive lineman just makes sense.  Find someone younger and cheaper

Another team can't "eat" another team's dead cap... It's dead meaning it belongs to whatever team cut/traded the player...

We found someone younger/cheaper last season... he ended up being the worst Tackle in the league...

Do you want to hold the potatoes if he plays out the whole season?  Works both ways brother...

It would be STUPID to get rid of Penn, at his salary... with the current Tackles we have...
hahahaha your making one incorrect assumption.  I'm not looking to win again next year.  That's why I dont care who's under center.  That's why I dont care who's protecting.  Fuck the vets on this team.  They quit on themselves.  They can all go except a select few and all the up and comers.  Let the Vegas team not be tainted by that bullshit we saw.  By the team that imploded itself.  Let Vegas get a fresh start

I'm always looking to win... sorry...
I wanna win too.  But I don't just want one year then nothing.  This team had its chance. They couldn't maintain it.

Coaching sucked just as much, if not more... for 2 years straight, IMO...
agreed shit.  But the d.coaching staff is gone. We have what we have and if they were gonna get rid of the cable mlm guy he'd be gone already.  So we gotta make bbn what we.have work.  Sooo. Yeah meh.