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Title: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 09, 2019, 04:52:43 PM
From what I've been reading, it sounds like Gruden is going to go after a big-name receiver in the offseason, or two. With the draft capital that we have the likely choice would probably be Antonio Brown.

To even sweeten the deal, sign Le'Veon Bell as well, since he won't require any type of trade, just money that we have to spend.

With that said, my dream scenario for the draft in free agency would be to pick up Antonio Brown, by probably giving up one of our late firsts or our second round pick. And spending the other late first pick on N'keal Harry or AJ Brown.

And with the 4th pick take the best available defensive player, hopefully a pass rusher Orr safety.

to be honest, I wouldn't even be upset if we took Haskins with the 4th pick. Especially if we make the moves that I mentioned above...

What are you guys' dream scenarios for this offseason?

Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 09, 2019, 06:00:47 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: az raider on January 09, 2019, 07:23:31 PM
I would give the cowboys pick for Bell. We need a legit running back going forward to be sure.

I’m really on the fence with AB.  So much baggage there.
I’d rather snag Harry (ASU) with the 24th pick....if he’s there....if not then look into cutting a deal for AB

And grab the best pass rusher with our first pick....Josh Allen...Ferrell..would be nice

With so many damned needs, I really hope Gru/Mayock kill this draft.




Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 10, 2019, 12:00:29 AM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

No way in hell can DC go toe to toe with Mahomes. Only one Mahomes and we aint got him. In my opinion the way to beat him is limit his possessions, and make gaycee one dimentional. And when he does have the ball blitz the hell out of him. That comes from a rush game and a pressure defense.

Make no mistake, we are miles behind gaycee at this point. We just need to stock this team with talent at this point ans hope in 2020 we can go toe to toe with em.

Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: CB on January 10, 2019, 10:21:50 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

No way in hell can DC go toe to toe with Mahomes. Only one Mahomes and we aint got him. In my opinion the way to beat him is limit his possessions, and make gaycee one dimentional. And when he does have the ball blitz the hell out of him. That comes from a rush game and a pressure defense.

Make no mistake, we are miles behind gaycee at this point. We just need to stock this team with talent at this point ans hope in 2020 we can go toe to toe with em.

Sure he can. Protect him and give him some weapons and he can play with damn near anybody. It was only two seasons ago he was out playing Brees, Rivers, Roethlisburger. We'll find out soon enough of Mahomes can sustain his play.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 10, 2019, 11:44:14 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

No way in hell can DC go toe to toe with Mahomes. Only one Mahomes and we aint got him. In my opinion the way to beat him is limit his possessions, and make gaycee one dimentional. And when he does have the ball blitz the hell out of him. That comes from a rush game and a pressure defense.

Make no mistake, we are miles behind gaycee at this point. We just need to stock this team with talent at this point ans hope in 2020 we can go toe to toe with em.

Sure he can. Protect him and give him some weapons and he can play with damn near anybody. It was only two seasons ago he was out playing Brees, Rivers, Roethlisburger. We'll find out soon enough of Mahomes can sustain his play.

That was 2 years ago. Sadly, he is no more.  One would hope that a QB would not regress. Especially one getting paid like an elite.

SO................

No way IMHO. At this point I can only go on from what I have seen. Is DC a good QB? Sure.

Don't try and feed me however, that if given the chance, you wouldn't take MaHomes over DC.

Now, if you say yes like everyone else......

Then tell me why you would trade? 

-'
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 11, 2019, 09:11:21 AM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

No way in hell can DC go toe to toe with Mahomes. Only one Mahomes and we aint got him. In my opinion the way to beat him is limit his possessions, and make gaycee one dimentional. And when he does have the ball blitz the hell out of him. That comes from a rush game and a pressure defense.

Make no mistake, we are miles behind gaycee at this point. We just need to stock this team with talent at this point ans hope in 2020 we can go toe to toe with em.

Sure he can. Protect him and give him some weapons and he can play with damn near anybody. It was only two seasons ago he was out playing Brees, Rivers, Roethlisburger. We'll find out soon enough of Mahomes can sustain his play.

He had good numbers this year... with minimal weapons...

BUT... It still seems like he plays scared... IMO, he's a huge question mark... especially with the QBs coming out this year and next...

What if Murray declares... Do you think Gruden passes him up?  Given all his "hype"... Even Haskins is worthy of a #4 pick...

If Murray declares... ONE of them WILL be there at #4... given Gruden's unpredictability, we may have a QB controversy on our hands... And I think the more him and Mayock talk him up this offseason, the more of a chance we may be drafting a QB...

If a complete rebuild is what the strategy, I don't think it's too far-fetched to think they would trade Carr and draft Murray or Haskins... We can get at least a 2nd this year for Carr...

Imagine if we could get the Giants 2nd rounder for him... That would be 4 picks between slots 24-38... That would appealing for any GM., IMO... Especially if you can draft a franchise QB at #4...
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: Raider 8 on January 11, 2019, 02:50:43 PM
My off-season wish list is to NOT trade for Antonio Brown, NOT sign Leveon Bell, and NOT draft Dwayne Haskins
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: CB on January 11, 2019, 03:02:17 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

No way in hell can DC go toe to toe with Mahomes. Only one Mahomes and we aint got him. In my opinion the way to beat him is limit his possessions, and make gaycee one dimentional. And when he does have the ball blitz the hell out of him. That comes from a rush game and a pressure defense.

Make no mistake, we are miles behind gaycee at this point. We just need to stock this team with talent at this point ans hope in 2020 we can go toe to toe with em.

Sure he can. Protect him and give him some weapons and he can play with damn near anybody. It was only two seasons ago he was out playing Brees, Rivers, Roethlisburger. We'll find out soon enough of Mahomes can sustain his play.

He had good numbers this year... with minimal weapons...

BUT... It still seems like he plays scared... IMO, he's a huge question mark... especially with the QBs coming out this year and next...

What if Murray declares... Do you think Gruden passes him up?  Given all his "hype"... Even Haskins is worthy of a #4 pick...

If Murray declares... ONE of them WILL be there at #4... given Gruden's unpredictability, we may have a QB controversy on our hands... And I think the more him and Mayock talk him up this offseason, the more of a chance we may be drafting a QB...

If a complete rebuild is what the strategy, I don't think it's too far-fetched to think they would trade Carr and draft Murray or Haskins... We can get at least a 2nd this year for Carr...

Imagine if we could get the Giants 2nd rounder for him... That would be 4 picks between slots 24-38... That would appealing for any GM., IMO... Especially if you can draft a franchise QB at #4...

IMO, trading Carr for a #2 makes as much sense as trading Mack for 2 #1's made. Not much.

I just fail to see the logic in trading a known commodity for an unknown prospect. There have been dozens if not hundreds of 'sure fire' QB's that just didn't pan out.

We know what we have in Carr. He is a very capable QB when you protect him and provide him with some decent play makers. He is a piece of the puzzle that is in place, why toss it aside and hope to find another matching piece. I'm pretty sure the plan would be to bring in weapons and provide a solid line to protect a rookie QB, so why not give the same to Carr.

I also think that Gruden's penchant for vets will kick in and he won't want to start over with a rookie after making some good progress with Carr late in the season. I would think Gruden would be more inclined to pick up a vet like Foles or Flacco should he bail on Carr.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: CB on January 11, 2019, 03:08:31 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

No way in hell can DC go toe to toe with Mahomes. Only one Mahomes and we aint got him. In my opinion the way to beat him is limit his possessions, and make gaycee one dimentional. And when he does have the ball blitz the hell out of him. That comes from a rush game and a pressure defense.

Make no mistake, we are miles behind gaycee at this point. We just need to stock this team with talent at this point ans hope in 2020 we can go toe to toe with em.

Sure he can. Protect him and give him some weapons and he can play with damn near anybody. It was only two seasons ago he was out playing Brees, Rivers, Roethlisburger. We'll find out soon enough of Mahomes can sustain his play.

That was 2 years ago. Sadly, he is no more.  One would hope that a QB would not regress. Especially one getting paid like an elite.

SO................

No way IMHO. At this point I can only go on from what I have seen. Is DC a good QB? Sure.

Don't try and feed me however, that if given the chance, you wouldn't take MaHomes over DC.

Now, if you say yes like everyone else......

Then tell me why you would trade? 

-'

This wasn't about trading Carr for Mahomes. This is can Carr compete with Mahomes. I say, Yes, he can if he is given some play makers and we fortify the line in front of him.

Of course, Mahomes is the better player at this point in their careers, but I still think Carr can play at a high level under the right conditions. He's not the kind of guy who can make chicken salad out of chicken shit, but he is good enough for us to compete with the chefs.

I don't think Carr is in the twilight of his career. Hell, he's still under 30 and may not have hit his prime.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: Raider 8 on January 11, 2019, 03:15:35 PM
Never let go of a serviceable QB until he gets beat out in practice.

And if football teams are built from the football out, don't worry about QB until you have solid pieces in place to put a young QB in and he can succeed.

Maybe we draft a good QB, but without the pieces around him, he struggles and it doesn't work out, not because of the QB though.

Use this draft and free agency to build this team and see where we're at with QB next off season.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: CB on January 11, 2019, 03:16:45 PM
Now, for my wish list.

I would use our draft picks on DE, safety and MLB. Maybe a RB in a later round along with a WR.

I would like to see us also try to pick up a FA or two at each of these positions. Provide some leadership and competition.

I wouldn't trade for Brown or sign Bell. I think Bell was foolish for not signing his franchise tag last season. He could have played at a 20% raise from the previous year and then if they tagged him again he would be looking at 40% raise next year. That would be far above what I think he'll get in FA. There just aren't teams willing to spend top dollar on FA RB's especially when their north of 30.

I think Brown is still a stud, but the last thing this team needs is a prima donna who isn't on the same page with the QB or the HC. I don't know that any coach in the league does a better job of communicating with his players than Tomlinson and if he can't get Brown on board then why would we think Gruden can?
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: Raider 8 on January 11, 2019, 03:20:09 PM
Now, for my wish list.

I would use our draft picks on DE, safety and MLB. Maybe a RB in a later round along with a WR.

I would like to see us also try to pick up a FA or two at each of these positions. Provide some leadership and competition.

I wouldn't trade for Brown or sign Bell. I think Bell was foolish for not signing his franchise tag last season. He could have played at a 20% raise from the previous year and then if they tagged him again he would be looking at 40% raise next year. That would be far above what I think he'll get in FA. There just aren't teams willing to spend top dollar on FA RB's especially when their north of 30.

I think Brown is still a stud, but the last thing this team needs is a prima donna who isn't on the same page with the QB or the HC. I don't know that any coach in the league does a better job of communicating with his players than Tomlinson and if he can't get Brown on board then why would we think Gruden can?

C'mon dude, when was quitting on your teammates not a good thing.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 11, 2019, 07:45:35 PM
Now, for my wish list.

I would use our draft picks on DE, safety and MLB. Maybe a RB in a later round along with a WR.

I would like to see us also try to pick up a FA or two at each of these positions. Provide some leadership and competition.

I wouldn't trade for Brown or sign Bell. I think Bell was foolish for not signing his franchise tag last season. He could have played at a 20% raise from the previous year and then if they tagged him again he would be looking at 40% raise next year. That would be far above what I think he'll get in FA. There just aren't teams willing to spend top dollar on FA RB's especially when their north of 30.

I think Brown is still a stud, but the last thing this team needs is a prima donna who isn't on the same page with the QB or the HC. I don't know that any coach in the league does a better job of communicating with his players than Tomlinson and if he can't get Brown on board then why would we think Gruden can?

I believe Brown's issue was with Ben and Tomlinson was caught in the middle... A change of scenery can fix all that.  And who cares about primadona shit more than this forum, lol... The guy is the best WR in the league (between him and Hopkins, to me)... You know me, I don't care about all that other shit... Catch TDs and be unguardable, that's all I need... And we NEED a star when we get to Vegas... Problem solved...

And player's don't like playing on the tag, they want to get rid of it.  It takes players actions like Bell's to change this philosophy.  The guy had an astronomical amount of touches in 2017... With that many touches, your chance at injury goes way up.... I don't think it was foolish to forfeit a year to endure you get a long term, hell of a deal... What if they use him to death again... and he gets injured... then what?  Besides... just like AB... Bell is that good...

Mahomes is immune to defense (so far)... We need to score points... Denver's defense is going to be very good... We need to score points... The Chargers defense is going to be really good... We need to score points...

Scoring points has been our Achilles heal the last 2 years... Sure the defense sucked this year, but how many games did we watch thinking "If we could only score on this drive"...

The last time we had a high scoring/efficient offense... we went 12-4 and were contending for a #1 seed, until a broken leg derailed it all...

And the best defenses in the league this year, in the playoffs... are both sitting at home...

Arguably the best WR and the best RB are both "available"... It would be foolish for Gruden not to explore this... Especially as an offensive minded coach...
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 11, 2019, 08:53:31 PM
4. Oakland Raiders
Clelin Ferrell | EDGE | Clemson

24. Oakland Raiders (from CHI)
Mack Wilson | LB | Alabama

27. Oakland Raiders (from DAL)
Kyler Murray | QB | Oklahoma

35. Oakland Raiders
A.J. Brown | WR | Ole Miss

66. Oakland Raiders
Damien Harris | RB | Alabama

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/10/raiders-select-qb-kyler-murray-in-new-3-round-mock-draft/
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 11, 2019, 10:44:04 PM
4. Oakland Raiders
Clelin Ferrell | EDGE | Clemson

24. Oakland Raiders (from CHI)
Mack Wilson | LB | Alabama

27. Oakland Raiders (from DAL)
Kyler Murray | QB | Oklahoma

35. Oakland Raiders
A.J. Brown | WR | Ole Miss

66. Oakland Raiders
Damien Harris | RB | Alabama

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/10/raiders-select-qb-kyler-murray-in-new-3-round-mock-draft/

I don't think Murray or Brown will be there that late (Too many QB-needy teams to just let him drop)... But if they are, they're both no brainers...

I'd prefer Haskins, simply because he doesn't have the baseball urge... I think Murray only entertains the NFL if he knows for a fact he'll start... plus that baseball money is a whole different beast...

And I'm favoring Harry over Brown right now, idk what it is, but that kid just seems like he has that "special" vibe... Watching his highlights, they are something else, the catches he makes... very Hopkins like...
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 11, 2019, 11:28:09 PM
4. Oakland Raiders
Clelin Ferrell | EDGE | Clemson

24. Oakland Raiders (from CHI)
Mack Wilson | LB | Alabama

27. Oakland Raiders (from DAL)
Kyler Murray | QB | Oklahoma

35. Oakland Raiders
A.J. Brown | WR | Ole Miss

66. Oakland Raiders
Damien Harris | RB | Alabama

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/10/raiders-select-qb-kyler-murray-in-new-3-round-mock-draft/

I don't think Murray or Brown will be there that late (Too many QB-needy teams to just let him drop)... But if they are, they're both no brainers...

I'd prefer Haskins, simply because he doesn't have the baseball urge... I think Murray only entertains the NFL if he knows for a fact he'll start... plus that baseball money is a whole different beast...

And I'm favoring Harry over Brown right now, idk what it is, but that kid just seems like he has that "special" vibe... Watching his highlights, they are something else, the catches he makes... very Hopkins like...

Hard to argue any of that at this point.

How much fun is this shit???????

Money....picks.....

Endless possibilities.

This draft is going to be fun as hell.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 11, 2019, 11:30:41 PM
4. Oakland Raiders
Clelin Ferrell | EDGE | Clemson

24. Oakland Raiders (from CHI)
Mack Wilson | LB | Alabama

27. Oakland Raiders (from DAL)
Kyler Murray | QB | Oklahoma

35. Oakland Raiders
A.J. Brown | WR | Ole Miss

66. Oakland Raiders
Damien Harris | RB | Alabama

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/10/raiders-select-qb-kyler-murray-in-new-3-round-mock-draft/

I don't think Murray or Brown will be there that late (Too many QB-needy teams to just let him drop)... But if they are, they're both no brainers...

I'd prefer Haskins, simply because he doesn't have the baseball urge... I think Murray only entertains the NFL if he knows for a fact he'll start... plus that baseball money is a whole different beast...

And I'm favoring Harry over Brown right now, idk what it is, but that kid just seems like he has that "special" vibe... Watching his highlights, they are something else, the catches he makes... very Hopkins like...

Hard to argue any of that at this point.

How much fun is this shit???????

Money....picks.....

Endless possibilities.

This draft is going to be fun as hell.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: RaiderinKorea on January 12, 2019, 04:21:21 AM
4. Oakland Raiders
Clelin Ferrell | EDGE | Clemson

24. Oakland Raiders (from CHI)
Mack Wilson | LB | Alabama

27. Oakland Raiders (from DAL)
Kyler Murray | QB | Oklahoma

35. Oakland Raiders
A.J. Brown | WR | Ole Miss

66. Oakland Raiders
Damien Harris | RB | Alabama

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/10/raiders-select-qb-kyler-murray-in-new-3-round-mock-draft/

I don't think Murray or Brown will be there that late (Too many QB-needy teams to just let him drop)... But if they are, they're both no brainers...

I'd prefer Haskins, simply because he doesn't have the baseball urge... I think Murray only entertains the NFL if he knows for a fact he'll start... plus that baseball money is a whole different beast...

And I'm favoring Harry over Brown right now, idk what it is, but that kid just seems like he has that "special" vibe... Watching his highlights, they are something else, the catches he makes... very Hopkins like...

Hard to argue any of that at this point.

How much fun is this shit???????

Money....picks.....

Endless possibilities.

This draft is going to be fun as hell.

Agree 100%

Pluse Murray is already under contract with the A’s
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: Raidersmojo on January 12, 2019, 05:21:36 AM
Wish list... Hmmm

FA:
DT - Grady Jarret
DE - Trey Flowers
S - Landon Collins
WR- Golden Tate
Re-sign Cook

Draft:
4th - Ferrell DE
24th - Irv Smith Jr - TE
27th - Marquis Brown WR
35th - Vosean Joesph - LB

Fantasy scenario:
Jags trade up to #4 for a QB and flip us Ramsey to get out from under his future contract and attitude and we still take Ferrell (Never happen but its my fantasy, damn it)

I want Ferrell because its my last name...Easy jersey purchase from day 1 right there.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: ghostmech on January 12, 2019, 09:05:31 AM
I want Ferrell because its my last name...Easy jersey purchase from day 1 right there.

I would take Josh Allen over Ferrell if they are both still there.  I think he is more versatile and will convert to the edge when needed.  Reminds me of Aldon Smith without the dumbass factor.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 12, 2019, 12:34:05 PM
I want Ferrell because its my last name...Easy jersey purchase from day 1 right there.

I would take Josh Allen over Ferrell if they are both still there.  I think he is more versatile and will convert to the edge when needed.  Reminds me of Aldon Smith without the dumbass factor.

No RB prospect for us this year Ghost?

You've had one for us every year... Who do you like?
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: ghostmech on January 12, 2019, 01:26:05 PM
I want Ferrell because its my last name...Easy jersey purchase from day 1 right there.

I would take Josh Allen over Ferrell if they are both still there.  I think he is more versatile and will convert to the edge when needed.  Reminds me of Aldon Smith without the dumbass factor.

No RB prospect for us this year Ghost?

You've had one for us every year... Who do you like?

 ;D  Well, since you asked...

I really like Bryce Love from Stanford.... if he could only stay healthy. 

Travis Etienne from Clemson looked like a beast this year and I think surprised a lot of people.... would not mind getting him if he declares.

Damien Harris from Alabama would be a good one with our 2nd or 3rd round pick, but I doubt he will there in the 3rd.

Another one that is a phenom is Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin, but the dude is a sophomore so no chance of seeing him for another year.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 12, 2019, 02:42:15 PM
I want Ferrell because its my last name...Easy jersey purchase from day 1 right there.

I would take Josh Allen over Ferrell if they are both still there.  I think he is more versatile and will convert to the edge when needed.  Reminds me of Aldon Smith without the dumbass factor.

No RB prospect for us this year Ghost?

You've had one for us every year... Who do you like?

 ;D  Well, since you asked...

I really like Bryce Love from Stanford.... if he could only stay healthy. 

Travis Etienne from Clemson looked like a beast this year and I think surprised a lot of people.... would not mind getting him if he declares.

Damien Harris from Alabama would be a good one with our 2nd or 3rd round pick, but I doubt he will there in the 3rd.

Another one that is a phenom is Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin, but the dude is a sophomore so no chance of seeing him for another year.

I knew you had a list waiting, haha...

:cheers

I'm hoping we find a stop gap, and can get my young boy Ricky Slade from Penn State... Coached him in 12U, 13U, and HS passing leagues... 
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: ghostmech on January 12, 2019, 03:38:19 PM
I want Ferrell because its my last name...Easy jersey purchase from day 1 right there.

I would take Josh Allen over Ferrell if they are both still there.  I think he is more versatile and will convert to the edge when needed.  Reminds me of Aldon Smith without the dumbass factor.

No RB prospect for us this year Ghost?

You've had one for us every year... Who do you like?

 ;D  Well, since you asked...

I really like Bryce Love from Stanford.... if he could only stay healthy. 

Travis Etienne from Clemson looked like a beast this year and I think surprised a lot of people.... would not mind getting him if he declares.

Damien Harris from Alabama would be a good one with our 2nd or 3rd round pick, but I doubt he will there in the 3rd.

Another one that is a phenom is Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin, but the dude is a sophomore so no chance of seeing him for another year.

I knew you had a list waiting, haha...

:cheers

I'm hoping we find a stop gap, and can get my young boy Ricky Slade from Penn State... Coached him in 12U, 13U, and HS passing leagues...

You know I would  ;)

I looked up Slade and he's a good lookin' kid.... got a lot of promise.   I'll keep an eye out for him next season. Thanks  :cheers
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: nutmg1 on January 12, 2019, 04:00:13 PM
From what I've been reading, it sounds like Gruden is going to go after a big-name receiver in the offseason, or two. With the draft capital that we have the likely choice would probably be Antonio Brown.

To even sweeten the deal, sign Le'Veon Bell as well, since he won't require any type of trade, just money that we have to spend.

With that said, my dream scenario for the draft in free agency would be to pick up Antonio Brown, by probably giving up one of our late firsts or our second round pick. And spending the other late first pick on N'keal Harry or AJ Brown.

And with the 4th pick take the best available defensive player, hopefully a pass rusher Orr safety.

to be honest, I wouldn't even be upset if we took Haskins with the 4th pick. Especially if we make the moves that I mentioned above...

What are you guys' dream scenarios for this offseason?

So trade Mack and Cooper. 

Then come back next seaon with

Antionio Brown
Le'Veon Bell
N'Keal Harry

and any of these guys
Quinen Williams
Nick Bosa
Josh Allen
Clelin Ferrell
Ed Oliver



I'm in on that deal all day long.  Not just for the talent but the cap implications. 

Brown is set to make about 12 million a year and is under cotract for 3 more years. We have money to spend.

Le'Veon scares me a little bit money wise. I'm not sure what he's going to expect.  There is only so much money to go around and I can't see paying him Gurley money.  If he's willing to be a top 5 paid back I would consider it.

Of course both of these guys have proven they will quit on their team.  That is a concern. 

In any case great post VA.  You got me excited thinking of all of the possibilities we have to look forward too.



Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: nutmg1 on January 12, 2019, 04:05:09 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

I agree.  If we are going to roll the dice with Carr then we need to build an offense around him.  Watching this Chiefs game while Mahomes is a stud he's  targets are wide open 90% of the time.  Just having Hill and Kelsey on the field at the same time makes it easy for Reid to get open looks all day long.


Carr has never had those kinds of weapons to work with. 

Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: ghostmech on January 12, 2019, 04:37:12 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

I agree.  If we are going to roll the dice with Carr then we need to build an offense around him.  Watching this Chiefs game while Mahomes is a stud he's  targets are wide open 90% of the time.  Just having Hill and Kelsey on the field at the same time makes it easy for Reid to get open looks all day long.


Carr has never had those kinds of weapons to work with.

Yeah, I thought Luck would have  fared better than the he has tonight.  Man I hate seeing the Queifs win again, but that Mahomes kid is fo' rizzle.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: nutmg1 on January 12, 2019, 05:04:16 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

I agree.  If we are going to roll the dice with Carr then we need to build an offense around him.  Watching this Chiefs game while Mahomes is a stud he's  targets are wide open 90% of the time.  Just having Hill and Kelsey on the field at the same time makes it easy for Reid to get open looks all day long.


Carr has never had those kinds of weapons to work with.

Yeah, I thought Luck would have  fared better than the he has tonight.  Man I hate seeing the Queifs win again, but that Mahomes kid is fo' rizzle.

One of our most active members here recently said Carr can't beat the Chiefs.


Well looks like Luck, Big Ben, Garoppolo, Keenum, Bortles, Dalton, Maytield, Rosen, and Wilson can't beat the Chiefs either.

                       C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Andrew Luck   19/36   203   5.6   1   0   3-27           78.8

                   C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Derek Carr   24/33   185   5.6   0   2   3-20           60.8

Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 12, 2019, 05:27:56 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

I agree.  If we are going to roll the dice with Carr then we need to build an offense around him.  Watching this Chiefs game while Mahomes is a stud he's  targets are wide open 90% of the time.  Just having Hill and Kelsey on the field at the same time makes it easy for Reid to get open looks all day long.


Carr has never had those kinds of weapons to work with.

Yeah, I thought Luck would have  fared better than the he has tonight.  Man I hate seeing the Queifs win again, but that Mahomes kid is fo' rizzle.

One of our most active members here recently said Carr can't beat the Chiefs.


Well looks like Luck, Big Ben, Garoppolo, Keenum, Bortles, Dalton, Maytield, Rosen, and Wilson can't beat the Chiefs either.

                       C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Andrew Luck   19/36   203   5.6   1   0   3-27           78.8

                   C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Derek Carr   24/33   185   5.6   0   2   3-20           60.8

What do any of them have to do with with whether or not Carr can beat them?

They also don't have to play them, at minimum, twice a season.. They also don't have them in their way of a division title... Hell, some of the guys you mentioned barely play them once every 4 years... Others have only played them once in their careers...

Carr is 2-8 overall, 0-5 @ KC... his 1st win was the very 1st time he played them... and a 1 point win, last year... And he just started playing vs Mahomes, and is 0-2...

Not sure what your post even means... *shrugs* 

Or why you felt the need to call me out... *shrugs*
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: RaiderInDenver on January 12, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
I want a QB with a rocket arm.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: Raider 8 on January 12, 2019, 07:44:03 PM
I want a QB with a rocket arm.

Joe Flacco is available
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 12, 2019, 07:45:23 PM
I want a QB with a rocket arm.

Joe Flacco is available

Hell no... I'd just rather keep DC over him...

He's just an old version of Carr... haha...
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: Raider 8 on January 12, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
He's got a cannon, RID said he wanted a laser
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 12, 2019, 07:56:18 PM
He's got a cannon, RID said he wanted a laser

True...

So does Kyler Murray... and Haskins... :o
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 12, 2019, 08:04:18 PM
Wish list... Hmmm

FA:
DT - Grady Jarret
DE - Trey Flowers
S - Landon Collins
WR- Golden Tate
Re-sign Cook

Draft:
4th - Ferrell DE
24th - Irv Smith Jr - TE
27th - Marquis Brown WR
35th - Vosean Joesph - LB

Fantasy scenario:
Jags trade up to #4 for a QB and flip us Ramsey to get out from under his future contract and attitude and we still take Ferrell (Never happen but its my fantasy, damn it)

I want Ferrell because its my last name...Easy jersey purchase from day 1 right there.

Bought time you bring your sorry ass back here after I went to bat for you.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 12, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
I want Ferrell because its my last name...Easy jersey purchase from day 1 right there.

I would take Josh Allen over Ferrell if they are both still there.  I think he is more versatile and will convert to the edge when needed.  Reminds me of Aldon Smith without the dumbass factor.

No RB prospect for us this year Ghost?

You've had one for us every year... Who do you like?

 ;D  Well, since you asked...

I really like Bryce Love from Stanford.... if he could only stay healthy. 

Travis Etienne from Clemson looked like a beast this year and I think surprised a lot of people.... would not mind getting him if he declares.

Damien Harris from Alabama would be a good one with our 2nd or 3rd round pick, but I doubt he will there in the 3rd.

Another one that is a phenom is Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin, but the dude is a sophomore so no chance of seeing him for another year.

I'll give you some past due props Mech...

I remember back in the day you were expounding the virtues of one Adrian Peterson. I didn't want him based on his injury list at Oakie.

He would have been a Raider great.

Nice call.

 :cheers
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 12, 2019, 08:11:45 PM
I want a QB with a rocket arm.

Joe Flacco is available

I can't believe you were serious.....

at least I hope not.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: nutmg1 on January 12, 2019, 08:46:21 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

I agree.  If we are going to roll the dice with Carr then we need to build an offense around him.  Watching this Chiefs game while Mahomes is a stud he's  targets are wide open 90% of the time.  Just having Hill and Kelsey on the field at the same time makes it easy for Reid to get open looks all day long.


Carr has never had those kinds of weapons to work with.

Yeah, I thought Luck would have  fared better than the he has tonight.  Man I hate seeing the Queifs win again, but that Mahomes kid is fo' rizzle.

One of our most active members here recently said Carr can't beat the Chiefs.


Well looks like Luck, Big Ben, Garoppolo, Keenum, Bortles, Dalton, Maytield, Rosen, and Wilson can't beat the Chiefs either.

                       C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Andrew Luck   19/36   203   5.6   1   0   3-27           78.8

                   C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Derek Carr   24/33   185   5.6   0   2   3-20           60.8

What do any of them have to do with with whether or not Carr can beat them?

They also don't have to play them, at minimum, twice a season.. They also don't have them in their way of a division title... Hell, some of the guys you mentioned barely play them once every 4 years... Others have only played them once in their careers...

Carr is 2-8 overall, 0-5 @ KC... his 1st win was the very 1st time he played them... and a 1 point win, last year... And he just started playing vs Mahomes, and is 0-2...

Not sure what your post even means... *shrugs* 

Or why you felt the need to call me out... *shrugs*

Dude I called you out because you pissed me off with your comments about Carr and the Chiefs.

Watching the game today I realized Carr and Luck looked like the same guy playing against the Chiefs.  The only difference is the Colts have better talent.  But obviously the result was just about the same.

I just want to see Carr get the same team around him that Mahomes has. 

Your comments were not fair.

Lets see what happens over the next 2 years.

Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 12, 2019, 08:58:08 PM
Here is one big difference I see between the 2.

PH will use his feet and legs to buy time or get in a position to throw. Dude is like a MLB pitcher.

over the top, 3/4, sidearm, under, left hand......

DC doesn't have pocket presence.  He's afraid to get hit which results in not waiting for WR to clear....

None of us know what is in the mind of JG.......

However......

We're going to find out in the coming months how much JG beleive's in DC
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: RaiderInDenver on January 13, 2019, 11:07:39 AM
It will be interesting to see what we do at QB in the future drafts.
This year? Could get us more draft picks moving up in the draft!!!

I’ll bet we pick top 5 again next year. Lame Duck, still rebuilding. We could have a good shot at drafting a QB in that 2020 class.!!

Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: CB on January 13, 2019, 12:24:18 PM
Here is one big difference I see between the 2.

PH will use his feet and legs to buy time or get in a position to throw. Dude is like a MLB pitcher.

over the top, 3/4, sidearm, under, left hand......

DC doesn't have pocket presence.  He's afraid to get hit which results in not waiting for WR to clear....

None of us know what is in the mind of JG.......

However......

We're going to find out in the coming months how much JG beleive's in DC

Watching the game yesterday, I didn't think Mahomes did anything spectacular. I don't know that he completed any passes that are thrown more than 15 yards down field. He did his damage hitting the short passes and letting the receivers pick up YAC. He moved around well in the pocket and is really good when on the run.

IMO, he looked a lot like Carr did 2 years ago. Carr isn't as mobile, but in his hey day, he probably threw the deep ball better. Mahomes has a lot to improve on the deep ball.

I would love to see Gru get Carr back to his 2016 form.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 13, 2019, 01:27:33 PM
https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/12/pff-raiders-qb-derek-carr-better-under-pressure-in-2018-but-his-game-lacked-depth/
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: Raider 8 on January 13, 2019, 02:09:34 PM
I want a QB with a rocket arm.

Joe Flacco is available

I can't believe you were serious.....

at least I hope not.

RID only had one criteria for his QB, there you go
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: CB on January 13, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
I want a QB with a rocket arm.

I hear Jawalrus is looking to get back in the game.
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: varaider on January 13, 2019, 07:16:21 PM
I know a lot of people here want to go all defense. The way I look at it, even the best defenses aren't going to be able to slow down Mahomes, so we're going to have to be able to score points... And a trio of AB, Bell, Harry/Brown... With Warren, Martin (I like how he ran down the stretch)... Nelson, Ateman, and whichever promising practice squad receiver steps up.... We might be able to potentially have the best offense in the league, talent-wise.

Although I'm not particularly confidence with routing and mayock yet because of the experience issues oh, I do hope that they at least attack aggressively during free agency and grab some big names. Because it seems like that is the current philosophy nowadays.  Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, etc..

I agree.  If we are going to roll the dice with Carr then we need to build an offense around him.  Watching this Chiefs game while Mahomes is a stud he's  targets are wide open 90% of the time.  Just having Hill and Kelsey on the field at the same time makes it easy for Reid to get open looks all day long.


Carr has never had those kinds of weapons to work with.

Yeah, I thought Luck would have  fared better than the he has tonight.  Man I hate seeing the Queifs win again, but that Mahomes kid is fo' rizzle.

One of our most active members here recently said Carr can't beat the Chiefs.


Well looks like Luck, Big Ben, Garoppolo, Keenum, Bortles, Dalton, Maytield, Rosen, and Wilson can't beat the Chiefs either.

                       C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Andrew Luck   19/36   203   5.6   1   0   3-27           78.8

                   C/ATT   YDS   AVG   TD   INT   SACKS   RTG
Derek Carr   24/33   185   5.6   0   2   3-20           60.8

What do any of them have to do with with whether or not Carr can beat them?

They also don't have to play them, at minimum, twice a season.. They also don't have them in their way of a division title... Hell, some of the guys you mentioned barely play them once every 4 years... Others have only played them once in their careers...

Carr is 2-8 overall, 0-5 @ KC... his 1st win was the very 1st time he played them... and a 1 point win, last year... And he just started playing vs Mahomes, and is 0-2...

Not sure what your post even means... *shrugs* 

Or why you felt the need to call me out... *shrugs*

Dude I called you out because you pissed me off with your comments about Carr and the Chiefs.

Watching the game today I realized Carr and Luck looked like the same guy playing against the Chiefs.  The only difference is the Colts have better talent.  But obviously the result was just about the same.

I just want to see Carr get the same team around him that Mahomes has. 

Your comments were not fair.

Lets see what happens over the next 2 years.

Sooooooooo... you get mad and call me out, because I speak the truth... Ok... lol...

And Carr has had weapons around him...

If you're waitring for him to get the "same" weapons as Mahomes, you'll probably die waiting... A future HOF TE... and the fastest kid in the universe... And an HC/OC that actually knows how run a creative and versatile offense to get them the ball?   Wait on it...

My comments are fair, because KCs defense has been atrocious every year Carr has been here... every year he plays good/decent against everyone... but KC he CONSISTENTLY looks like shit... Those are the facts bro...

I don't care if he "looked like" Luck... or if all those QBs are 0-1 or 0-2 (really? lol) against the Chiefs... Derek Carr is 2-8 with a total margin of victory being 4 points...  Nothing "unfair" about calling a spade a spade... It is no secret that Carr's "kryptonite" is KC...

You think he's great, well great would be better than 2-8 vs KC... and he's had plenty weapons over the years... What happened the 12-4 season?  Or even last season when that roster was better (offensively) than 2016...

Until he shows he can beat KC, he (and you) need to own that fact that he's KC's bitch....  We've been playing the "Let's see" game with Carr for 6 years... It's THIS type of thinking that has me arguing this Gruden shit with some of yall... Because it's nothing but excuses... and "Let's see"... How long are we going to keep playing this game with DC... and how long are we GOING to play it with JG if he's not successful in a year or 2..

Sooner or later we're going to have to take the results as WHAT THEY ARE...
Title: Re: Offseason wish list...
Post by: Raidersmojo on January 14, 2019, 03:03:58 PM
I’m a fan of Carr and think he can turn it around but


There is absolutely no denying he is KC’s bitch. Zero, Zip, zadda, nadda.


No way to argue that. I think it was the pro bowl with Reid coaching Carr. Probably found something that he uses against Carr each time that he discovered from those practices.