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Title: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 24, 2018, 11:26:35 PM
After this steaming pile of poor decisions.  Fuck Carr.  FUCK THESE LOSERS.  Carr was more worried about trying to preserve the jobs of these degenerates than improving his team for the future.  Wow we just fucked our selves in our own stupid asses.  I'm done.  See you in the post season
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Darth Raider on December 25, 2018, 12:42:44 AM
I dont understand, we exceeded expectations in every way tonight.

Merry Christmas bro.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on December 25, 2018, 01:41:25 AM
After this steaming pile of poor decisions.  Fuck Carr.  FUCK THESE LOSERS.  Carr was more worried about trying to preserve the jobs of these degenerates than improving his team for the future.  Wow we just fucked our selves in our own stupid asses.  I'm done.  See you in the post season
Otis must be on a good one tonight!
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 25, 2018, 10:35:59 AM
I was.  I may have drank a good bit and this thoroughly pissed me off.  There's like 4 cant miss guys in this draft I just hope we dont drop enough to get one.  Dumb.  I'll be even more pissed if ws trade up and lose a first rounder to do it.  We have tons of needs.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: The Prole on December 25, 2018, 01:22:34 PM
We do have tons of needs, so we don’t need to be drafting #1 to fill a hole. We have enough picks, as long as they draft clever we can pick up quality players. One of our needs is also confidence and self belief for our younger players, and wins like these help to build that.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on December 25, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
We do have tons of needs, so we don’t need to be drafting #1 to fill a hole. We have enough picks, as long as they draft clever we can pick up quality players. One of our needs is also confidence and self belief for our younger players, and wins like these help to build that.
THIS %100
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 26, 2018, 08:57:36 AM
We do have tons of needs, so we don’t need to be drafting #1 to fill a hole. We have enough picks, as long as they draft clever we can pick up quality players. One of our needs is also confidence and self belief for our younger players, and wins like these help to build that.
THIS %100
hmm. There are four defensive lineman  that are quote end quote cant miss guys.  Best players available and need.  That's kinda exactly what you hope for when drafting right?  And don't give me that clever shit.  When you gave up a chance to draft another LT type player.  Why so the shity of Oakland could have a win.  Honestly fuck them.  Honestly.  Why because you want to keep alot ofnthese marginal  players on a wiped out talent depleted roster.  Fuck them too.  Dude.  Sunday was worst case scenario.   Because now.....I cant believe I have to explain this.  Now not only do you miss the opportunity to draft one of those four cant miss players who are all positions of need for us.  You get to now really roll the fucking dice with a high pick.   If this pick doesnt work....  not a fucking word dude not a fucking word.  This one our team did to us.  And most of you were all for it....not a mother fucking word!!!!!
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on December 26, 2018, 12:35:35 PM
We do have tons of needs, so we don’t need to be drafting #1 to fill a hole. We have enough picks, as long as they draft clever we can pick up quality players. One of our needs is also confidence and self belief for our younger players, and wins like these help to build that.
THIS %100
hmm. There are four defensive lineman  that are quote end quote cant miss guys.  Best players available and need.  That's kinda exactly what you hope for when drafting right?  And don't give me that clever shit.  When you gave up a chance to draft another LT type player.  Why so the shity of Oakland could have a win.  Honestly fuck them.  Honestly.  Why because you want to keep alot ofnthese marginal  players on a wiped out talent depleted roster.  Fuck them too.  Dude.  Sunday was worst case scenario.   Because now.....I cant believe I have to explain this.  Now not only do you miss the opportunity to draft one of those four cant miss players who are all positions of need for us.  You get to now really roll the fucking dice with a high pick.   If this pick doesnt work....  not a fucking word dude not a fucking word.  This one our team did to us.  And most of you were all for it....not a mother fucking word!!!!!

You are aware we are still in the top 4 right?

Plus there is always somebody who trades up for a QB or a position of need and causes a guy to drop. Happened last year when Chubb dropped into our laps and we chose to trade down and take Miller.

Tons of stuff can happen between now and the draft.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 26, 2018, 02:46:35 PM
We do have tons of needs, so we don’t need to be drafting #1 to fill a hole. We have enough picks, as long as they draft clever we can pick up quality players. One of our needs is also confidence and self belief for our younger players, and wins like these help to build that.
THIS %100
hmm. There are four defensive lineman  that are quote end quote cant miss guys.  Best players available and need.  That's kinda exactly what you hope for when drafting right?  And don't give me that clever shit.  When you gave up a chance to draft another LT type player.  Why so the shity of Oakland could have a win.  Honestly fuck them.  Honestly.  Why because you want to keep alot ofnthese marginal  players on a wiped out talent depleted roster.  Fuck them too.  Dude.  Sunday was worst case scenario.   Because now.....I cant believe I have to explain this.  Now not only do you miss the opportunity to draft one of those four cant miss players who are all positions of need for us.  You get to now really roll the fucking dice with a high pick.   If this pick doesnt work....  not a fucking word dude not a fucking word.  This one our team did to us.  And most of you were all for it....not a mother fucking word!!!!!

You are aware we are still in the top 4 right?

Plus there is always somebody who trades up for a QB or a position of need and causes a guy to drop. Happened last year when Chubb dropped into our laps and we chose to trade down and take Miller.

Tons of stuff can happen between now and the draft.
I did find that out after the fact.  Either way man.  We had other than one our pick of the litter now we might have to get a stud interior lineman instead of an edge rusher.  Which im cool with but people gonna cry the blues man.  And yes I'm aware shit can happen.   But my point was and still is.  We had control of the situation.  Now not so.much.  and that.  That!  Is what infuriates me.  Why so we can win for a city that didn't want them.  Is suing them?  Why so we can try and save a few more scrubs jobs on this team.  Fuck them they've been garbage all year and now they bnb wanna finally start playing.  Kick fucking rocks.  I hope they get trade to dumpster fire teams.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: The Prole on December 26, 2018, 05:02:23 PM
I do get what you’re saying, really I do,  but I still believe there is more value in winning for younger players than you are giving credit for. And not everyone will be going for the same need as us. Look at 2014, Clowney went first pick, we got Mack 5th and the Rams took Aaron Donald with the thirteenth pick. Anything can happen.

This team is 3-3 over the last six games. That tells me they haven’t quit on Gruden just yet. That tells me that they still have some fight and self respect. Surely that’s more important than the scenario where we get the overall number one pick, but everyone on the team has given up on the system or has lost all confidence. Winning is not a bad thing man, enjoy it. The more we win, the less needs we have.

And yes, the City officials are suing us, and made very little effort to keep us. But that’s not the fans in the stadium. The fans at the game are the ones who pay their hard earned cash and turn up. They deserve maximum effort.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Darth Raider on December 26, 2018, 09:13:24 PM
This draft will be the litmus test for Chucky.  Crap shoot or not, if he fucks this up, we need a GM a lot more than he thinks.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on December 26, 2018, 10:23:14 PM
Yeah... he just doesn't have it....

https://www.raiders.com/video/mic-d-up-derek-carr-week-16-vs-denver
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on December 27, 2018, 12:37:25 AM
How many passes without  an interception now??
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on December 27, 2018, 01:10:04 AM
We do have tons of needs, so we don’t need to be drafting #1 to fill a hole. We have enough picks, as long as they draft clever we can pick up quality players. One of our needs is also confidence and self belief for our younger players, and wins like these help to build that.
THIS %100
hmm. There are four defensive lineman  that are quote end quote cant miss guys.  Best players available and need.  That's kinda exactly what you hope for when drafting right?  And don't give me that clever shit.  When you gave up a chance to draft another LT type player.  Why so the shity of Oakland could have a win.  Honestly fuck them.  Honestly.  Why because you want to keep alot ofnthese marginal  players on a wiped out talent depleted roster.  Fuck them too.  Dude.  Sunday was worst case scenario.   Because now.....I cant believe I have to explain this.  Now not only do you miss the opportunity to draft one of those four cant miss players who are all positions of need for us.  You get to now really roll the fucking dice with a high pick.   If this pick doesnt work....  not a fucking word dude not a fucking word.  This one our team did to us.  And most of you were all for it....not a mother fucking word!!!!!

You are aware we are still in the top 4 right?

Plus there is always somebody who trades up for a QB or a position of need and causes a guy to drop. Happened last year when Chubb dropped into our laps and we chose to trade down and take Miller.

Tons of stuff can happen between now and the draft.

Thanks for that fucking flashback bra...

 :barf2

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: SilverBlackFan on December 27, 2018, 10:26:34 AM
I’ll take a win over a division rival, especially the broncos,  any day. Young teams need to learn what it’s like to win and momentum going into the off season can not only help the players on our roster but maybe also help us attract FAs.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Limb Reaper on December 27, 2018, 03:25:51 PM
I get that we'd like to have a top pick, but seriously...

FUCK TANKING

I was rooting for us to beat the fucking Donks. I hope Vance Joseph gets shit-canned because of it.

And I'll be rooting for us to shock KC too. If they're in our division, we need to beat them, period. If I could choose only six wins in a given season, I would choose to sweep the division.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Darth Raider on December 28, 2018, 12:04:34 AM
How many passes without  an interception now??

too many check downs
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on December 28, 2018, 01:36:19 AM
How many passes without  an interception now??

too many check downs
Which would you rather have ??

Check downs or turnovers?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Limb Reaper on December 28, 2018, 10:19:21 AM
How many passes without  an interception now??

too many check downs

Agreed...but it seems to be getting better.

What we need is for Chucky to transfer his cajones to Carr.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on December 28, 2018, 04:55:21 PM
How many passes without  an interception now??

too many check downs
Which would you rather have ??

Check downs or turnovers?

POINTS..

That's all that matters...

I'll take 3 INTs and 40 points, over 0 Ints and 7 points any day of the week...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 28, 2018, 06:27:29 PM
I get that we'd like to have a top pick, but seriously...

FUCK TANKING

I was rooting for us to beat the fucking Donks. I hope Vance Joseph gets shit-canned because of it.

And I'll be rooting for us to shock KC too. If they're in our division, we need to beat them, period. If I could choose only six wins in a given season, I would choose to sweep the division.
that's a short sighted opinion.  I want to get better.  I want to jettison the rest of this team riddled with under achievers.  And to best do that we need as many high drafts picks as we can get.  The higher the better our odds at getting people who might actually stick. And let me make this plain.  Trade carr to the giants and let us have their first rounders well.  Let the back up play this next year.  Let him have a go if we stink again well have more high picks.  An Inexpensive hopefully team to grow together. Gruden can mold them into whatever he needs them to be.  If were gonna do this let's not half ass this.  Plain and simple.  It's like ripping off a band aid.  Gotta hurt to heal.  Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.  Lol enough  Cliches you get the idea.  This team is garbage for the most part.  I want them gone.  The young up and comers are welcome to stay and grow.  But the trash we've fielded the last two years  needs to go.  Period
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 28, 2018, 06:30:35 PM
Who needs a qb and his high picks the giants.  Anyone else?  If not we need to make that trade.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on December 28, 2018, 08:04:42 PM
Who needs a qb and his high picks the giants.  Anyone else?  If not we need to make that trade.

There's no "must pick" QBs in this draft... The only hope was Herbert and he stayed at Oregon...

Like someone said earlier... We just have to be spot on with our picks...

And hope to God Gruden doesn't have another "Peterman" moment...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on December 28, 2018, 11:19:35 PM
I’ll take a win over a division rival, especially the broncos,  any day. Young teams need to learn what it’s like to win and momentum going into the off season can not only help the players on our roster but maybe also help us attract FAs.

Well said.

Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on December 28, 2018, 11:23:09 PM
I get that we'd like to have a top pick, but seriously...

FUCK TANKING

I was rooting for us to beat the fucking Donks. I hope Vance Joseph gets shit-canned because of it.

And I'll be rooting for us to shock KC too. If they're in our division, we need to beat them, period. If I could choose only six wins in a given season, I would choose to sweep the division.
that's a short sighted opinion.  I want to get better.  I want to jettison the rest of this team riddled with under achievers.  And to best do that we need as many high drafts picks as we can get.  The higher the better our odds at getting people who might actually stick. And let me make this plain.  Trade carr to the giants and let us have their first rounders well.  Let the back up play this next year.  Let him have a go if we stink again well have more high picks.  An Inexpensive hopefully team to grow together. Gruden can mold them into whatever he needs them to be.  If were gonna do this let's not half ass this.  Plain and simple.  It's like ripping off a band aid.  Gotta hurt to heal.  Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.  Lol enough  Cliches you get the idea.  This team is garbage for the most part.  I want them gone.  The young up and comers are welcome to stay and grow.  But the trash we've fielded the last two years  needs to go.  Period

I think that ship has sailed bra.

Every one of our warriors I've seen take the field as of late has balled to the wall.

Message sent.......message heard as far as I can see.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on December 28, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Who needs a qb and his high picks the giants.  Anyone else?  If not we need to make that trade.

There's no "must pick" QBs in this draft... The only hope was Herbert and he stayed at Oregon...

Like someone said earlier... We just have to be spot on with our picks...

And hope to God Gruden doesn't have another "varaider" moment...
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No shit right.......
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 29, 2018, 11:25:59 AM
I get that we'd like to have a top pick, but seriously...

FUCK TANKING

I was rooting for us to beat the fucking Donks. I hope Vance Joseph gets shit-canned because of it.

And I'll be rooting for us to shock KC too. If they're in our division, we need to beat them, period. If I could choose only six wins in a given season, I would choose to sweep the division.
that's a short sighted opinion.  I want to get better.  I want to jettison the rest of this team riddled with under achievers.  And to best do that we need as many high drafts picks as we can get.  The higher the better our odds at getting people who might actually stick. And let me make this plain.  Trade carr to the giants and let us have their first rounders well.  Let the back up play this next year.  Let him have a go if we stink again well have more high picks.  An Inexpensive hopefully team to grow together. Gruden can mold them into whatever he needs them to be.  If were gonna do this let's not half ass this.  Plain and simple.  It's like ripping off a band aid.  Gotta hurt to heal.  Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.  Lol enough  Cliches you get the idea.  This team is garbage for the most part.  I want them gone.  The young up and comers are welcome to stay and grow.  But the trash we've fielded the last two years  needs to go.  Period

I think that ship has sailed bra.

Every one of our warriors I've seen take the field as of late has balled to the wall.

Message sent.......message heard as far as I can see.
if they can do this now there's no excuse for the season we endured.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on December 29, 2018, 12:34:10 PM
Who needs a qb and his high picks the giants.  Anyone else?  If not we need to make that trade.

There's no "must pick" QBs in this draft... The only hope was Herbert and he stayed at Oregon...

Like someone said earlier... We just have to be spot on with our picks...

And hope to God Gruden doesn't have another "Peterman" moment...
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No shit right.......

Mock all you want... truth is truth...

#Smitten
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on December 29, 2018, 04:56:55 PM
Who needs a qb and his high picks the giants.  Anyone else?  If not we need to make that trade.

There's no "must pick" QBs in this draft... The only hope was Herbert and he stayed at Oregon...

Like someone said earlier... We just have to be spot on with our picks...

And hope to God Gruden doesn't have another "Peterman" moment...
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No shit right.......

Mock all you want... truth is truth...

#Smitten

Yes V ... you are the truth and the way. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on December 29, 2018, 05:56:37 PM
Who needs a qb and his high picks the giants.  Anyone else?  If not we need to make that trade.

There's no "must pick" QBs in this draft... The only hope was Herbert and he stayed at Oregon...

Like someone said earlier... We just have to be spot on with our picks...

And hope to God Gruden doesn't have another "Peterman" moment...
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No shit right.......

Mock all you want... truth is truth...

#Smitten

Yes V ... you are the truth and the way.

Yeap...

He was #Smitten with Peterman...

True or False?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 30, 2018, 11:59:32 AM
VA go to one of your threads with your Gruden hate.  Stop bugering up mine.  On this thread we hate the whole team.  Minus the up and comers  >:( ;D 8)
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 30, 2018, 05:18:27 PM
Hmm anyone still upset at the idea of trading carr I wonder?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on December 30, 2018, 07:46:00 PM
Carr's not going anywhere. Before today, he and Gruden seemed to be on the same page. He looked finally comfortable in the offense.

Today, it looked like everybody on offense rolled out of bed a half hour before game time with a killer hangover.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on December 30, 2018, 10:24:32 PM
Hmm anyone still upset at the idea of trading carr I wonder?

It would be stupid at this point without giving the Gru/Carr connection a whole year to ferment.  Think about it, they didn't even talk about football until last April.  Too early to pull the plug.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on December 31, 2018, 12:39:39 AM
Hmm anyone still upset at the idea of trading carr I wonder?

It would be stupid at this point without giving the Gru/Carr connection a whole year to ferment.  Think about it, they didn't even talk about football until last April.  Too early to pull the plug.
THIS
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on December 31, 2018, 01:21:34 AM
Anybody thinking about drafting a QB to replace Carr for next season?

Watch the Liberty Bowl tomorrow at 3:45 ET on ESPN. Mizzou's QB is Andrew Lock. Big, strong armed gunslinger. He'll throw it up for grabs on occasion, but he broke numerous SEC career records this past season. He'll probably be graded as a late 1st, early 2nd round pick in the draft. Probably will be there for our 2nd or 3rd rounder. Unless he goes off at the combine and gets somebody to jump at him in the top 10.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on December 31, 2018, 11:08:56 AM
Only QB I'm interested in drafting is Tua...

Carr's ass is definitely on the hot seat next year...

But fact of the matter is, Carr sucks... He has his moments, but in the grand scheme of things... he's just not a good fit here... People keep saying "just wait for this Gruden/Carr thing to develop" when we've sat and watched this kid for 5 years, he just doesn't have "IT", period, point blank... The guy has one like 5 games vs playoff teams his entire career...

To me, this KC game was the litmus test... Sure he improved down the stretch, yadda, yadda, yadda... But even during that stretch we weren't scoring POINTS... but yesterday proved he's the same ol, scared ass, bad-decision making Carr... Him and Gruden couldn't score a single TD against the league's worst defense... Turnovers or not, Carr was responsible for 3 of them...

So forgive me for not being on this Gruden/Carr revival bandwagon... Carr is who he is, period... And Gruden is still a huge question mark...

Tua in 2020 for me, please...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on December 31, 2018, 12:23:17 PM
Hmm anyone still upset at the idea of trading carr I wonder?

It would be stupid at this point without giving the Gru/Carr connection a whole year to ferment.  Think about it, they didn't even talk about football until last April.  Too early to pull the plug.
I'm not pulling the plug I'm anning for future.  Leys face it.  Carss talented.  He's also brakes easily.  I doubt he's gonna make gonna make bnb next three years without another major injury.  And were a bad team right now.  These types of teams kill quarterbacks.  Better to cut bait.  Trade em rebuild thisntranchise.  And let's face it this team broke with his hand at the wheel.  I dont care who's fault it is.  I dont care what side of the political bullshit he was on.  As the defacto team leader.  Him, Mack, Coop.  ALL. ALWAYS NEEDED TO GO.  The rest of them too as far as I'm concerned.  They steered this team I to. Dumpster fire. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on December 31, 2018, 01:30:00 PM
Carr had 3 TD passes his final 4 games of the season. 2 INTs. 11 of the 16 games he had 1 TD or less.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 02, 2019, 06:24:24 AM
And who's he throwing to?  He only has one viable receiver and he's a tight end.  Stoop it lol
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 02, 2019, 01:40:41 PM
Peterman will beat out DC for the starting job......... ;D

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Raider 8 on January 02, 2019, 03:32:42 PM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 03, 2019, 09:32:35 AM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
that's only correct if your goal is winning next year.  Personally next year I roll with a stop gap qb.  Get another high pick and draft a guy
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 03, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
 :agree :beersign
Peterman will beat out DC for the starting job......... ;D
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Raider 8 on January 03, 2019, 12:17:59 PM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
that's only correct if your goal is winning next year.  Personally next year I roll with a stop gap qb.  Get another high pick and draft a guy

But you can't guarantee a college kid will succeed no matter when you draft him. History is littered with highly rated college QBs that have failed. Start with Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. You should never get rid of a QB until the next QB is actually practicing with your team. Just how Brett favre was let go once GB knew Aaron Rodgers was good. Or more recently, Alex Smith was traded after KC knew Mahomes could play.

You let Carr go before you have the next guy in house, you may be wishing for Carr to come back
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 03, 2019, 12:25:32 PM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
that's only correct if your goal is winning next year.  Personally next year I roll with a stop gap qb.  Get another high pick and draft a guy

But you can't guarantee a college kid will succeed no matter when you draft him. History is littered with highly rated college QBs that have failed. Start with Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. You should never get rid of a QB until the next QB is actually practicing with your team. Just how Brett favre was let go once GB knew Aaron Rodgers was good. Or more recently, Alex Smith was traded after KC knew Mahomes could play.

You let Carr go before you have the next guy in house, you may be wishing for Carr to come back
that is all correct.  But unlike tears past I'd venture to say there are more good QBs coming out of college all the time.  Personally I'd out .ore of a premium on good defensive guys at this point.  Having a good defense in today's is much harder than having a good offense
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Raider 8 on January 03, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
that's only correct if your goal is winning next year.  Personally next year I roll with a stop gap qb.  Get another high pick and draft a guy

But you can't guarantee a college kid will succeed no matter when you draft him. History is littered with highly rated college QBs that have failed. Start with Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. You should never get rid of a QB until the next QB is actually practicing with your team. Just how Brett favre was let go once GB knew Aaron Rodgers was good. Or more recently, Alex Smith was traded after KC knew Mahomes could play.

You let Carr go before you have the next guy in house, you may be wishing for Carr to come back
that is all correct.  But unlike tears past I'd venture to say there are more good QBs coming out of college all the time.  Personally I'd out .ore of a premium on good defensive guys at this point.  Having a good defense in today's is much harder than having a good offense

This year's crop isn't great at QB. Maybe Lock from Missouri. I don't think Haskens will be that good as a pro. Next year's QB class has more quality. As much as I don't like Carr's check down Charlie game, he should play out this contract and draft a QB next year, let the rookie sit for a year while Carr plays, then Carr would be a free agent and the young guy can take the reigns
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: nutmg1 on January 03, 2019, 03:11:19 PM
As long as we struggled after Gannon to get a QB who was even serviceable I'm not ready to give up on Carr.  Its funny when we were 12-4 and converting on 4th down all the time he was mentioned as MVP.  Now that were rebuilding from a shit roster and he has know one around him everyone wants him gone. 

All I can say is be careful what you ask for.  We've seen Carr operate at a very high level.  This team can turn around fast.  If we move to an unproven rookie QB things could stay bad for a long time. 

All of that said listening to Mayock and Gruden this past week it sounds like if someone offers a trade they would probably take it.  There are probably some more first round picks out there for him.  Teams like the Saints and NY Giants will be in the marked the next couple years.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on January 03, 2019, 04:02:11 PM
As long as we struggled after Gannon to get a QB who was even serviceable I'm not ready to give up on Carr.  Its funny when we were 12-4 and converting on 4th down all the time he was mentioned as MVP.  Now that were rebuilding from a shit roster and he has know one around him everyone wants him gone. 

All I can say is be careful what you ask for.  We've seen Carr operate at a very high level.  This team can turn around fast.  If we move to an unproven rookie QB things could stay bad for a long time. 

All of that said listening to Mayock and Gruden this past week it sounds like if someone offers a trade they would probably take it.  There are probably some more first round picks out there for him.  Teams like the Saints and NY Giants will be in the marked the next couple years.

This
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 03, 2019, 06:05:08 PM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
that's only correct if your goal is winning next year.  Personally next year I roll with a stop gap qb.  Get another high pick and draft a guy

But you can't guarantee a college kid will succeed no matter when you draft him. History is littered with highly rated college QBs that have failed. Start with Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. You should never get rid of a QB until the next QB is actually practicing with your team. Just how Brett favre was let go once GB knew Aaron Rodgers was good. Or more recently, Alex Smith was traded after KC knew Mahomes could play.

You let Carr go before you have the next guy in house, you may be wishing for Carr to come back
that is all correct.  But unlike tears past I'd venture to say there are more good QBs coming out of college all the time.  Personally I'd out .ore of a premium on good defensive guys at this point.  Having a good defense in today's is much harder than having a good offense

This year's crop isn't great at QB. Maybe Lock from Missouri. I don't think Haskens will be that good as a pro. Next year's QB class has more quality. As much as I don't like Carr's check down Charlie game, he should play out this contract and draft a QB next year, let the rookie sit for a year while Carr plays, then Carr would be a free agent and the young guy can take the reigns
and then we lose him and get nothing.  If he's going to leave he needs to be traded.  Trade him to the giants for their first rounder.  Draft 4 defensive players in the first round
of the  best defensive draft in 25 years.  Build your defense for the future ala Baltimore.  Use a stop gap qb this year.  Draft our qb of the future next year.  If you let carr leave and get nothing in return.  That would be an epic fail.  He's either your guy or he isn't.  If he's not pull then pull the fucking trigger.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on January 03, 2019, 07:03:41 PM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
that's only correct if your goal is winning next year.  Personally next year I roll with a stop gap qb.  Get another high pick and draft a guy

But you can't guarantee a college kid will succeed no matter when you draft him. History is littered with highly rated college QBs that have failed. Start with Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. You should never get rid of a QB until the next QB is actually practicing with your team. Just how Brett favre was let go once GB knew Aaron Rodgers was good. Or more recently, Alex Smith was traded after KC knew Mahomes could play.

You let Carr go before you have the next guy in house, you may be wishing for Carr to come back
that is all correct.  But unlike tears past I'd venture to say there are more good QBs coming out of college all the time.  Personally I'd out .ore of a premium on good defensive guys at this point.  Having a good defense in today's is much harder than having a good offense

This year's crop isn't great at QB. Maybe Lock from Missouri. I don't think Haskens will be that good as a pro. Next year's QB class has more quality. As much as I don't like Carr's check down Charlie game, he should play out this contract and draft a QB next year, let the rookie sit for a year while Carr plays, then Carr would be a free agent and the young guy can take the reigns
and then we lose him and get nothing.  If he's going to leave he needs to be traded.  Trade him to the giants for their first rounder.  Draft 4 defensive players in the first round
of the  best defensive draft in 25 years.  Build your defense for the future ala Baltimore.  Use a stop gap qb this year.  Draft our qb of the future next year.  If you let carr leave and get nothing in return.  That would be an epic fail.  He's either your guy or he isn't.  If he's not pull then pull the fucking trigger.

QB is the hardest position in all of sports to fill. Especially if you value quality. You don't just toss one aside because your pissed at him. The only way we should trade Carr is if we are able to definitively upgrade the position without him. You can't guess or hope that the guy you are bringing in is better, you have to know.

And if we draft a QB in this year or next year's draft and he out-performs Carr, then you can happily let him walk or trade him because upgrading at that position is very rarely as simple as just drafting a guy and plugging him in. Just look at our past 35 years as an example.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on January 03, 2019, 09:30:32 PM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
that's only correct if your goal is winning next year.  Personally next year I roll with a stop gap qb.  Get another high pick and draft a guy

But you can't guarantee a college kid will succeed no matter when you draft him. History is littered with highly rated college QBs that have failed. Start with Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. You should never get rid of a QB until the next QB is actually practicing with your team. Just how Brett favre was let go once GB knew Aaron Rodgers was good. Or more recently, Alex Smith was traded after KC knew Mahomes could play.

You let Carr go before you have the next guy in house, you may be wishing for Carr to come back
that is all correct.  But unlike tears past I'd venture to say there are more good QBs coming out of college all the time.  Personally I'd out .ore of a premium on good defensive guys at this point.  Having a good defense in today's is much harder than having a good offense

This year's crop isn't great at QB. Maybe Lock from Missouri. I don't think Haskens will be that good as a pro. Next year's QB class has more quality. As much as I don't like Carr's check down Charlie game, he should play out this contract and draft a QB next year, let the rookie sit for a year while Carr plays, then Carr would be a free agent and the young guy can take the reigns
and then we lose him and get nothing.  If he's going to leave he needs to be traded.  Trade him to the giants for their first rounder.  Draft 4 defensive players in the first round
of the  best defensive draft in 25 years.  Build your defense for the future ala Baltimore.  Use a stop gap qb this year.  Draft our qb of the future next year.  If you let carr leave and get nothing in return.  That would be an epic fail.  He's either your guy or he isn't.  If he's not pull then pull the fucking trigger.

QB is the hardest position in all of sports to fill. Especially if you value quality. You don't just toss one aside because your pissed at him. The only way we should trade Carr is if we are able to definitively upgrade the position without him. You can't guess or hope that the guy you are bringing in is better, you have to know.

And if we draft a QB in this year or next year's draft and he out-performs Carr, then you can happily let him walk or trade him because upgrading at that position is very rarely as simple as just drafting a guy and plugging him in. Just look at our past 35 years as an example.
THIS
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Limb Reaper on January 04, 2019, 10:47:13 AM
Upon examining the list of "starting" QB's in the league, I would assert that right now, Carr is definitely better than

Bortles
Dalton
Tannehill
Keenum
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Garropolo
Winston
Trubisky
Stafford
Prescott
Jackson
Mariota
Manning

If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on January 04, 2019, 12:43:52 PM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.     
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 04, 2019, 12:55:53 PM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Mike Mayock is put on a pedastal because he's on TV... All 32 teams have "Mayocks" in their building, most of which are better at what they do, than Mayock has/will ever be...

Example, Head/Top Scouts in the NFL, it's a year round job, some spend months away from their families and homes.  These guys are looking as far down as freshman and some HS kids...

Mayock said himself, his work started when "he got his list"... at a certain time of the year (I can't remember, but its in the presser).  So this assumption that he's anything more (or better) than your everyday Head Scout in an NFL organization is off... That is exactly what he is, a Glorified (by TV) Scout...

Now he must try to learn how to be a GM... My only "pessimism" comes from this being like the Carr/Downing scenario last year, where Gruden is hiring his "friend"... and a figurehead to mask his decisions...

The man (Gruden) said himself, If its a bad move, it's Mayock's, If it's a good move, it's his...   Where there's smoke there's fire, lol...

Mayock was just a "sexy" pick... I said it before, It's like Trump hiring Hannity as his Press Secretary,  ;D ;D ;D

I just hope the shit works out... as long as they cover all areas that need to be covered, we should be fine... Delaney is still there, so we still have half of the Cap sanity from year's past... in terms of numbers at least....
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Limb Reaper on January 04, 2019, 02:44:58 PM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Again, as a talent evaluator, he's likely very solid.

But there is more to being a GM then finding late round gems.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Raider 8 on January 04, 2019, 04:03:13 PM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Mike Mayock is put on a pedastal because he's on TV... All 32 teams have "Mayocks" in their building, most of which are better at what they do, than Mayock has/will ever be...

Example, Head/Top Scouts in the NFL, it's a year round job, some spend months away from their families and homes.  These guys are looking as far down as freshman and some HS kids...

Mayock said himself, his work started when "he got his list"... at a certain time of the year (I can't remember, but its in the presser).  So this assumption that he's anything more (or better) than your everyday Head Scout in an NFL organization is off... That is exactly what he is, a Glorified (by TV) Scout...

Now he must try to learn how to be a GM... My only "pessimism" comes from this being like the Carr/Downing scenario last year, where Gruden is hiring his "friend"... and a figurehead to mask his decisions...

The man (Gruden) said himself, If its a bad move, it's Mayock's, If it's a good move, it's his...   Where there's smoke there's fire, lol...

Mayock was just a "sexy" pick... I said it before, It's like Trump hiring Hannity as his Press Secretary,  ;D ;D ;D

I just hope the shit works out... as long as they cover all areas that need to be covered, we should be fine... Delaney is still there, so we still have half of the Cap sanity from year's past... in terms of numbers at least....

Mayock hasn't even been on the job for a month and you're already talking shit about him. Go figure. Do you ever have anything positive to say about the Raiders.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on January 04, 2019, 09:07:59 PM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Somebody is going to have to find Carr some weapons (Gruden or Mayock) or its not going matter much how good the defense gets. He needs some WR's with speed. Another TE (assuming Cook walks) and another RB.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 05, 2019, 12:32:31 AM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Somebody is going to have to find Carr some weapons (Gruden or Mayock) or its not going matter much how good the defense gets. He needs some WR's with speed. Another TE (assuming Cook walks) and another RB.

You sure that's the answer for somebody afraid to get hit?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 05, 2019, 06:53:25 AM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Mike Mayock is put on a pedastal because he's on TV... All 32 teams have "Mayocks" in their building, most of which are better at what they do, than Mayock has/will ever be...

Example, Head/Top Scouts in the NFL, it's a year round job, some spend months away from their families and homes.  These guys are looking as far down as freshman and some HS kids...

Mayock said himself, his work started when "he got his list"... at a certain time of the year (I can't remember, but its in the presser).  So this assumption that he's anything more (or better) than your everyday Head Scout in an NFL organization is off... That is exactly what he is, a Glorified (by TV) Scout...

Now he must try to learn how to be a GM... My only "pessimism" comes from this being like the Carr/Downing scenario last year, where Gruden is hiring his "friend"... and a figurehead to mask his decisions...

The man (Gruden) said himself, If its a bad move, it's Mayock's, If it's a good move, it's his...   Where there's smoke there's fire, lol...

Mayock was just a "sexy" pick... I said it before, It's like Trump hiring Hannity as his Press Secretary,  ;D ;D ;D

I just hope the shit works out... as long as they cover all areas that need to be covered, we should be fine... Delaney is still there, so we still have half of the Cap sanity from year's past... in terms of numbers at least....

Mayock hasn't even been on the job for a month and you're already talking shit about him. Go figure. Do you ever have anything positive to say about the Raiders.

If putting Mayock in the correct perspective, by explaining JUST what he was/is classifies as "talking shit"... Oh well... Cry me a river...

The guy has ZERO front office experience...  He has never spent a day of his career "preparing" for ONE team... He, himself, even said he didn't have all the answers, had a lot to learn and that he wasn't too keen on the FA side as well...

I don't see anywhere where I was talking shit about the guy, I even said my only pessimism is that it seems like a "friendly" hire, like what happened with Downing/Carr last season... We curbed experience for something "new" and it blew up in our faces...

And don't give me this "anything positive to say" BULLSHIT... After I've spent the last 6 years providing Silver Lining to all you RM haters... Not to long ago I was the Champion of the Glass Half Full Club here... Constantly going back and forth with the Doom & Gloom guys... So cut the nonsense...

What I said was TRUE, just because you don't "like" it, doesn't make it "talking shit"....

I even ended the whole comment on a positive not, can you read?

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I just hope the shit works out... as long as they cover all areas that need to be covered, we should be fine... Delaney is still there, so we still have half of the Cap sanity from year's past... in terms of numbers at least....
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 05, 2019, 07:00:26 AM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Somebody is going to have to find Carr some weapons (Gruden or Mayock) or its not going matter much how good the defense gets. He needs some WR's with speed. Another TE (assuming Cook walks) and another RB.

THIS...

I'm torn between AJ Brown and N'Keal Harry for that late first round pick... ONE of them should be there, and I hope we get the one who turns out better...

I wouldn't be surprised if we went after Antonio Brown either... I think Gruden is going to try and make a splash... Gerald McCoy might be on our radar too, if the Bucs opt to go younger/cheeper...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on January 05, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Somebody is going to have to find Carr some weapons (Gruden or Mayock) or its not going matter much how good the defense gets. He needs some WR's with speed. Another TE (assuming Cook walks) and another RB.

You sure that's the answer for somebody afraid to get hit?

Hell yeah. Fast guys get open sooner and let Carr get rid of the ball earlier. We probably need to shore up the O-line also, but more speed will help too.

Carr didn't just wake up one morning afraid too get hit. That was learned by some God awful line play, a shitload of sacks and a couple broken bones.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 06, 2019, 11:56:24 AM
These topics are always fun and I agree that Carr leaves a lot to be desired, but you have to be able to get a better QB to cut your current QB and college kids are no sure thing and good qb's don't become free agents.

Be careful what you wish for.
that's only correct if your goal is winning next year.  Personally next year I roll with a stop gap qb.  Get another high pick and draft a guy

But you can't guarantee a college kid will succeed no matter when you draft him. History is littered with highly rated college QBs that have failed. Start with Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. You should never get rid of a QB until the next QB is actually practicing with your team. Just how Brett favre was let go once GB knew Aaron Rodgers was good. Or more recently, Alex Smith was traded after KC knew Mahomes could play.

You let Carr go before you have the next guy in house, you may be wishing for Carr to come back
that is all correct.  But unlike tears past I'd venture to say there are more good QBs coming out of college all the time.  Personally I'd out .ore of a premium on good defensive guys at this point.  Having a good defense in today's is much harder than having a good offense

This year's crop isn't great at QB. Maybe Lock from Missouri. I don't think Haskens will be that good as a pro. Next year's QB class has more quality. As much as I don't like Carr's check down Charlie game, he should play out this contract and draft a QB next year, let the rookie sit for a year while Carr plays, then Carr would be a free agent and the young guy can take the reigns
and then we lose him and get nothing.  If he's going to leave he needs to be traded.  Trade him to the giants for their first rounder.  Draft 4 defensive players in the first round
of the  best defensive draft in 25 years.  Build your defense for the future ala Baltimore.  Use a stop gap qb this year.  Draft our qb of the future next year.  If you let carr leave and get nothing in return.  That would be an epic fail.  He's either your guy or he isn't.  If he's not pull then pull the fucking trigger.

QB is the hardest position in all of sports to fill. Especially if you value quality. You don't just toss one aside because your pissed at him. The only way we should trade Carr is if we are able to definitively upgrade the position without him. You can't guess or hope that the guy you are bringing in is better, you have to know.

And if we draft a QB in this year or next year's draft and he out-performs Carr, then you can happily let him walk or trade him because upgrading at that position is very rarely as simple as just drafting a guy and plugging him in. Just look at our past 35 years as an example.
I'm not mad at Carr specifically.  I'm mad the organization for allowing that team to detonate itself. 
First.  That team detonated with Carr at the helm.  That's a huge problem.  Also Carrs injury prone.   Dudes basically one big hit away from a little rascal.  He had a good year.  Despite all the issues our team had.  Cash out.  Take the money and run.  Go get us another qb to build around in the draft.  And finish gutting this piece of shit. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 06, 2019, 01:55:00 PM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Somebody is going to have to find Carr some weapons (Gruden or Mayock) or its not going matter much how good the defense gets. He needs some WR's with speed. Another TE (assuming Cook walks) and another RB.

You sure that's the answer for somebody afraid to get hit?

Hell yeah. Fast guys get open sooner and let Carr get rid of the ball earlier. We probably need to shore up the O-line also, but more speed will help too.

Carr didn't just wake up one morning afraid too get hit. That was learned by some God awful line play, a shitload of sacks and a couple broken bones.

IMO great route runners get open faster... That's why he had so much chemistry with Crabtree... especially under Musgrave..

I do agree we need speed...

We need speed to take the top off of defense... but I'm not sold on how that would help, considering Carr consistently (almost religiously) under throws wide open guys deep down field... I haven't seen him hit a guy in stride 40-50 yards down field in forever...  It's strange, because they're always talking up his arm strength....

Having a guy like Tyreek Hill would be bittersweet, because I'm not sure Carr can throw it deep enough...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 11, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
Not letting this thread fade away till after the draft.  Carr to the giants!!!  Let's do this
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 14, 2019, 12:53:47 PM
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PFF OAK Raiders @PFF_Raiders

#Raiders QB Derek Carr attempted a deep pass (20+ yards downfield) on 9.2% of his passes in 2018, the 2nd fewest of 33 qualifying QBs.
 
Carr's 91.7 passer rating on deep targets ranked 15th, and his 49.0% adjusted completion percentage on deep balls ranked 5th.
 
#RaiderNation

8:10 PM - 11 Jan 2019
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 14, 2019, 06:55:29 PM
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PFF OAK Raiders @PFF_Raiders

#Raiders QB Derek Carr attempted a deep pass (20+ yards downfield) on 9.2% of his passes in 2018, the 2nd fewest of 33 qualifying QBs.
 
Carr's 91.7 passer rating on deep targets ranked 15th, and his 49.0% adjusted completion percentage on deep balls ranked 5th.
 
#RaiderNation

8:10 PM - 11 Jan 2019
hahahaha where in those states does it mention his piss poor pass protection.  C'mon man.  Dude almost threw 4000 yards on a team that couldn't pass protect the majority of the year and who the hell was he throwing too Jordy slow ass Nelson?  Oh right his best passing option was a tight  end.. please. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: RaiderinKorea on January 14, 2019, 07:39:30 PM
Not letting this thread fade away till after the draft.  Carr to the giants!!!  Let's do this

What do you think of this idea, a three team trade. Foles will leave the Eagles and the Eagles will not trade him to the Giants, we work out a package to get Foles, send Carr to the Giants, then we draft a QB when there is a better QB class than this year?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 14, 2019, 08:59:18 PM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Somebody is going to have to find Carr some weapons (Gruden or Mayock) or its not going matter much how good the defense gets. He needs some WR's with speed. Another TE (assuming Cook walks) and another RB.

You sure that's the answer for somebody afraid to get hit?

Hell yeah. Fast guys get open sooner and let Carr get rid of the ball earlier. We probably need to shore up the O-line also, but more speed will help too.

Carr didn't just wake up one morning afraid too get hit. That was learned by some God awful line play, a shitload of sacks and a couple broken bones.

Like I say, and you seem to agree. He's afraid to get hit.

Not quite the leader you want in charge. Dude is never going to have a clean pocket all the time.

If we have seen the best of DC......he isn't the answer. Dak made a super star out of Coop. That never happened here. He's had weapons, and a pretty good line since he's been here.

He just hasn't done much with em for a tangible difference. I believe DC is who we have seen thus far.

Does that mean I want him gone now. No. But we sure as hell better have a contingency plan.

Competition seems to bring out the best in players, especially those with a healthy dose of cap on their backs.






Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 02:25:32 AM
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PFF OAK Raiders @PFF_Raiders

#Raiders QB Derek Carr attempted a deep pass (20+ yards downfield) on 9.2% of his passes in 2018, the 2nd fewest of 33 qualifying QBs.
 
Carr's 91.7 passer rating on deep targets ranked 15th, and his 49.0% adjusted completion percentage on deep balls ranked 5th.
 
#RaiderNation

8:10 PM - 11 Jan 2019
hahahaha where in those states does it mention his piss poor pass protection.  C'mon man.  Dude almost threw 4000 yards on a team that couldn't pass protect the majority of the year and who the hell was he throwing too Jordy slow ass Nelson?  Oh right his best passing option was a tight  end.. please.

Bro... what are you mad at?  lmao...

It was a tweet, stating his deep throw statistics... Relax, lol...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 15, 2019, 08:08:40 AM
Not letting this thread fade away till after the draft.  Carr to the giants!!!  Let's do this

What do you think of this idea, a three team trade. Foles will leave the Eagles and the Eagles will not trade him to the Giants, we work out a package to get Foles, send Carr to the Giants, then we draft a QB when there is a better QB class than this year?
as long as we got the giants first rounder this year then yes sure.  Foles get the ball out quick.  But he's not going to be as good in our system. Personally I dont care who's under center this year were gonna sick again.  I just want to build out defense
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 15, 2019, 08:11:16 AM
Quote
PFF OAK Raiders @PFF_Raiders

#Raiders QB Derek Carr attempted a deep pass (20+ yards downfield) on 9.2% of his passes in 2018, the 2nd fewest of 33 qualifying QBs.
 
Carr's 91.7 passer rating on deep targets ranked 15th, and his 49.0% adjusted completion percentage on deep balls ranked 5th.
 
#RaiderNation

8:10 PM - 11 Jan 2019
hahahaha where in those states does it mention his piss poor pass protection.  C'mon man.  Dude almost threw 4000 yards on a team that couldn't pass protect the majority of the year and who the hell was he throwing too Jordy slow ass Nelson?  Oh right his best passing option was a tight  end.. please.

Bro... what are you mad at?  lmao...

It was a tweet, stating his deep throw statistics... Relax, lol...
lol sorry I dont tweet so I wouldn't recognize it.  I thought you were breaking my chops.  I just hate half assed stats that only put forward someone's agenda.  They might be correct but it's as if ass lying because s ok someone out there is gonna take it as gospel.  Smh
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on January 15, 2019, 08:49:10 AM
If I was the incoming GM for the Raiders, my focus would be defense, defense and more defense. (And obviously, the offensive line.) Carr is good enough to run a top ten passing offense given some decent weapons. If we had a defense that could keep us in games and get the ball back, Carr is solid enough to convert most opportunities into points. I think he'd be a lot better if he didn't feel like it was all on him. Cowherd has been using the analogy of quarterbacks being either trucks or trailers. I think Carr is a trailer. He needs a good team around him in order to really succeed.

Cutting bait on him at this point would be a mistake then, unless you could get one of the guys ahead of him on the list. Teams have won titles with much less talented quarterbacks than DC.

Then Having Mike Mayock as the GM should fit you needs since he was a defensive player when he played and is very good at spotting defensive talent.  Also many of the current NFL administrators/coaches seek out and value his talent scouting council, especially about the players that are down the list and not top tier guys.   

Somebody is going to have to find Carr some weapons (Gruden or Mayock) or its not going matter much how good the defense gets. He needs some WR's with speed. Another TE (assuming Cook walks) and another RB.

You sure that's the answer for somebody afraid to get hit?

Hell yeah. Fast guys get open sooner and let Carr get rid of the ball earlier. We probably need to shore up the O-line also, but more speed will help too.

Carr didn't just wake up one morning afraid too get hit. That was learned by some God awful line play, a shitload of sacks and a couple broken bones.

Like I say, and you seem to agree. He's afraid to get hit.

Not quite the leader you want in charge. Dude is never going to have a clean pocket all the time.

If we have seen the best of DC......he isn't the answer. Dak made a super star out of Coop. That never happened here. He's had weapons, and a pretty good line since he's been here.

He just hasn't done much with em for a tangible difference. I believe DC is who we have seen thus far.

Does that mean I want him gone now. No. But we sure as hell better have a contingency plan.

Competition seems to bring out the best in players, especially those with a healthy dose of cap on their backs.

I think all QB's are afraid to get hit to some degree. And they are all taught that their health is important to the team. Carr has forgotten what a clean pocket looks and feels like. Will he turn into Russell Wilson if he get good protection? Of course not. But if he can move like he did in 2016 and find his open receivers, he will be a top 10 QB in the league.

He was the league's 'Patrick Mahomes' while Mahomes was at Texas Tech. Gruden's #1 priority should be getting Carr back to that level of play. Because that is cheaper than trading him and then using those picks in a QB who may never develop. And that will get this franchise turned around quicker.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: JackTatum on January 15, 2019, 09:44:46 AM
Carr needs to stay. Not even a question, he just needs the weapons.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 11:04:24 AM
All I'm sayin... It's going on year 6...

Is he supposed to show us something more than he already has?  2016 might have been his peak...

Gruden's offense isn't designed to push the ball down the field... So a repeat of 2016 won't likely happen... Musgrave's offense focused on deeper route concepts and pushing the ball downfield...

Derek Carr is to Raiders... as Matthew Stafford is to Lions...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: RaiderInDenver on January 15, 2019, 11:09:18 AM
All I'm sayin... It's going on year 6...

Is he supposed to show us something more than he already has?  2016 might have been his peak...

Gruden's offense isn't designed to push the ball down the field... So a repeat of 2016 won't likely happen... Musgrave's offense focused on deeper route concepts and pushing the ball downfield...

Derek Carr is to Raiders... as Matthew Stafford is to Lions...

We have 3 picks.

If Kyler Murray slips to 24 or later? Why the hell would we not take the kid???? Dude is a badass...

Is it just me or does Carr look like he needs to start working out? Year 6. At the very least we suck next year and draft a QB in 2020.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 15, 2019, 11:37:00 AM
I'm still on Carr's side here. Too many instances around the league of QB's coming into their own later in their careers. Seems like on the Raiders alone we could name a couple of them. Plunkett and Gannon. Payton Manning had a couple good seasons in his first 5 years but most were bad. If you look at the stats there are definitely some  similarities between Carr and Mannings first 5 seasons. I didn't dig into the Colts history but if my memory is working correctly there may be some similarities in the direction of the clubs during this time also.

I think it's too early to talk about getting rid of him. Now, that being said, I am all for bringing in strong talent to compete for the position. If he gets beat out in camp and practice, well then it is what it is.



Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: JackTatum on January 15, 2019, 11:45:08 AM
I'm still on Carr's side here. Too many instances around the league of QB's coming into their own later in their careers. Seems like on the Raiders alone we could name a couple of them. Plunkett and Gannon. Payton Manning had a couple good seasons in his first 5 years but most were bad. If you look at the stats there are definitely some  similarities between Carr and Mannings first 5 seasons. I didn't dig into the Colts history but if my memory is working correctly there may be some similarities in the direction of the clubs during this time also.

I think it's too early to talk about getting rid of him. Now, that being said, I am all for bringing in strong talent to compete for the position. If he gets beat out in camp and practice, well then it is what it is.

Doesn't his massive contract kick in this year? As much as it sucks, if he isn't the guy trade him. Otherwise it'll be hard as hell to do so later.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 15, 2019, 12:14:09 PM
I'm still on Carr's side here. Too many instances around the league of QB's coming into their own later in their careers. Seems like on the Raiders alone we could name a couple of them. Plunkett and Gannon. Payton Manning had a couple good seasons in his first 5 years but most were bad. If you look at the stats there are definitely some  similarities between Carr and Mannings first 5 seasons. I didn't dig into the Colts history but if my memory is working correctly there may be some similarities in the direction of the clubs during this time also.

I think it's too early to talk about getting rid of him. Now, that being said, I am all for bringing in strong talent to compete for the position. If he gets beat out in camp and practice, well then it is what it is.

Doesn't his massive contract kick in this year? As much as it sucks, if he isn't the guy trade him. Otherwise it'll be hard as hell to do so later.

Maybe, But I have no idea how his contract is structured. It may be back loaded so that he gets the most money in the later years of the contract. When we are in Vegas and not paying lots of taxes.

I feel like with all the changes made during Carr's tenure we couldn't necessarily say whether he is or isn't the guy. Especially with all the changes last year alone. But when the time comes that the pay is outweighing the performance, and the organization doesn't feel he is living up to the contract, then they should point to the stats and ask him to restructure. Then the ball is in his court. If he wants to be a Raider and understands he hasn't performed well, he'll restructure. If not, on to the next.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 03:12:12 PM
The only way for him to "compete" in TC, is to bring in legit competition...

You guys can't say, "Carr needs to be the man moving forward" and then be "ok" with competition...

True comp for Carr will have to be a high profile draft pick or Free Agent, period... a 4th round prospect or league journeyman won't do the trick...

So either Carr is the guy... or you draft someone to BE the guy.... there is no in between...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: RaiderInDenver on January 15, 2019, 03:24:21 PM
The only way for him to "compete" in TC, is to bring in legit competition...

You guys can't say, "Carr needs to be the man moving forward" and then be "ok" with competition...

True comp for Carr will have to be a high profile draft pick or Free Agent, period... a 4th round prospect or league journeyman won't do the trick...

So either Carr is the guy... or you draft someone to BE the guy.... there is no in between...

I hope Murray blows off baseball.

I would love to see him in a Raider Jersey. Freaking put the fear of losing his job into Carr’s brain. I could care less how tall Murray is. He’s a badass

I do not see Carr being Grudens guy when we hit Vegas. It’s just a gut feeling
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 15, 2019, 04:23:06 PM
The only way for him to "compete" in TC, is to bring in legit competition...

Agreed


You guys can't say, "Carr needs to be the man moving forward" and then be "ok" with competition...

Bullshit! We can do exactly that. Give me one good reason we can't?


True comp for Carr will have to be a high profile draft pick or Free Agent, period... a 4th round prospect or league journeyman won't do the trick...

So either Carr is the guy... or you draft someone to BE the guy.... there is no in between...

You wouldn't have considered Plunkett or Gannon League Journeyman? What about Kurt Warner? HE went undrafted, spent time in the Arena League for gods sake's, and bagged groceries before winning superbowls. Brady went in the 6th. Russel Wilson went in the 3rd. Montana went in the 3rd. Thiesman went in the 4th. Gannon went in the 4th. There are more but I would like to think you would get the picture. (Let me guess, "you could name more, but you didn't so you can't" is coming my way)

So really, Carr could be the guy. And we could draft legit competition in then later rounds.

It's quite possible.


Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 04:45:53 PM
The only way for him to "compete" in TC, is to bring in legit competition...

Agreed


You guys can't say, "Carr needs to be the man moving forward" and then be "ok" with competition...

Bullshit! We can do exactly that. Give me one good reason we can't?


True comp for Carr will have to be a high profile draft pick or Free Agent, period... a 4th round prospect or league journeyman won't do the trick...

So either Carr is the guy... or you draft someone to BE the guy.... there is no in between...

You wouldn't have considered Plunkett or Gannon League Journeyman? What about Kurt Warner? HE went undrafted, spent time in the Arena League for gods sake's, and bagged groceries before winning superbowls. Brady went in the 6th. Russel Wilson went in the 3rd. Montana went in the 3rd. Thiesman went in the 4th. Gannon went in the 4th. There are more but I would like to think you would get the picture. (Let me guess, "you could name more, but you didn't so you can't" is coming my way)

So really, Carr could be the guy. And we could draft legit competition in then later rounds.

It's quite possible.

If you say so...

Either Carr is the man... Or he isn't... there is no in between...

You think some no name is going to come here and push Carr out of the starting spot, so be it...

I don't see it happening... Especially when DC get's 99% of the reps... and maybe 20 snaps total in preseason...

If it's not a big name draftee or Free Agent, it won't happen... What comes with those are fan and media pressure. (which are usually the driving factors of QB changes).. Not going to get that with Joe Shmoe from the 6th round... or Nathan Peterman... Sorry you feel differently...

You're naming all these past guys...   How about naming one RIGHT NOW... that could come and challenge Carr, not named Nick Foles (big name FA I mentioned above), who'll probably get a STARTING gig somewhere next season... Or one of these 6th round picks you must know about that the world doesn't...  I'll wait... as if 2018 didn't present MORE THAN ENOUGH opportunities for one of these "God-Send" journeymen to show themselves...

Or are you just mad again, because I expresses MY opinion... eh?  Sure was an awful lot of "personal" vibe coming from that comment.. LOL!

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 15, 2019, 05:00:39 PM
The only way for him to "compete" in TC, is to bring in legit competition...

Agreed


You guys can't say, "Carr needs to be the man moving forward" and then be "ok" with competition...

Bullshit! We can do exactly that. Give me one good reason we can't?


True comp for Carr will have to be a high profile draft pick or Free Agent, period... a 4th round prospect or league journeyman won't do the trick...

So either Carr is the guy... or you draft someone to BE the guy.... there is no in between...

You wouldn't have considered Plunkett or Gannon League Journeyman? What about Kurt Warner? HE went undrafted, spent time in the Arena League for gods sake's, and bagged groceries before winning superbowls. Brady went in the 6th. Russel Wilson went in the 3rd. Montana went in the 3rd. Thiesman went in the 4th. Gannon went in the 4th. There are more but I would like to think you would get the picture. (Let me guess, "you could name more, but you didn't so you can't" is coming my way)

So really, Carr could be the guy. And we could draft legit competition in then later rounds.

It's quite possible.

If you say so...

Either Carr is the man... Or he isn't... there is no in between...

You think some no name is going to come here and push Carr out of the starting spot, so be it...

I don't see it happening... Especially when DC get's 99% of the reps... and maybe 20 snaps total in preseason...

If it's not a big name draftee or Free Agent, it won't happen... What comes with those are fan and media pressure. (which are usually the driving factors of QB changes).. Not going to get that with Joe Shmoe from the 6th round... or Nathan Peterman... Sorry you feel differently...

I would hardly call any of the names I mentioned as a Joe Shmoe type players. All are former pro-bowlers, Superbowl winners, and/or Hall of Famer's. But OK.

I would agree that as rounds (draft) or years (journeyman) go by, the odds of finding a gem get worse. But it's still a possibility that seems to happen at least fairly often.

I'm not sorry I feel differently. Nor am I sorry you feel differently. We can disagree and that is fine. I'm good with that. I feel there can be plenty of in between and in between opinions. And I will respect anyone's opinion as long as the respect flows both ways.  :cheers

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 05:13:48 PM
I would hardly call any of the names I mentioned as a Joe Shmoe type players. All are former pro-bowlers, Superbowl winners, and/or Hall of Famer's. But OK.

ALL HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE OF REPLACING DEREK CARR ON THE OAKLAND RAIDERS! 
So obviously, they aren't included in my "Joe Shmoe" reference... I'm talking about 2019 Derek Carr my brother... Not NFL Films...

I would agree that as rounds (draft) or years (journeyman) go by, the odds of finding a gem get worse. But it's still a possibility that seems to happen at least fairly often.

Again, who is this prodigal savior you speak of?  Because without a name, wouldn't "Joe Shmoe" be an accurate assessment... (Considering Joe Shmoe basically means a nobody)

I'm not sorry I feel differently. Nor am I sorry you feel differently. We can disagree and that is fine. I'm good with that. I feel there can be plenty of in between and in between opinions. And I will respect anyone's opinion as long as the respect flows both ways.  :cheers

I'm just not sure what you're disagreeing with, that's all...  None of the guys you mentioned are suiting up for the Raiders.... And all I said, was it would have to be a "big name" draft pick, or "big name" FA to legitimately challenge him for his spot... Or it would be no challenge at all...

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 05:17:12 PM
The only way for him to "compete" in TC, is to bring in legit competition...

Agreed


You guys can't say, "Carr needs to be the man moving forward" and then be "ok" with competition...

Bullshit! We can do exactly that. Give me one good reason we can't?


True comp for Carr will have to be a high profile draft pick or Free Agent, period... a 4th round prospect or league journeyman won't do the trick...

So either Carr is the guy... or you draft someone to BE the guy.... there is no in between...

You wouldn't have considered Plunkett or Gannon League Journeyman? What about Kurt Warner? HE went undrafted, spent time in the Arena League for gods sake's, and bagged groceries before winning superbowls. Brady went in the 6th. Russel Wilson went in the 3rd. Montana went in the 3rd. Thiesman went in the 4th. Gannon went in the 4th. There are more but I would like to think you would get the picture. (Let me guess, "you could name more, but you didn't so you can't" is coming my way)

So really, Carr could be the guy. And we could draft legit competition in then later rounds.

It's quite possible.

If you say so...

Either Carr is the man... Or he isn't... there is no in between...

You think some no name is going to come here and push Carr out of the starting spot, so be it...

I don't see it happening... Especially when DC get's 99% of the reps... and maybe 20 snaps total in preseason...

If it's not a big name draftee or Free Agent, it won't happen... What comes with those are fan and media pressure. (which are usually the driving factors of QB changes).. Not going to get that with Joe Shmoe from the 6th round... or Nathan Peterman... Sorry you feel differently...

I would hardly call any of the names I mentioned as a Joe Shmoe type players. All are former pro-bowlers, Superbowl winners, and/or Hall of Famer's. But OK.

I would agree that as rounds (draft) or years (journeyman) go by, the odds of finding a gem get worse. But it's still a possibility that seems to happen at least fairly often.

I'm not sorry I feel differently. Nor am I sorry you feel differently. We can disagree and that is fine. I'm good with that. I feel there can be plenty of in between and in between opinions. And I will respect anyone's opinion as long as the respect flows both ways.  :cheers

And I edited this quoted comment, before you posted...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 15, 2019, 06:27:37 PM
I would hardly call any of the names I mentioned as a Joe Shmoe type players. All are former pro-bowlers, Superbowl winners, and/or Hall of Famer's. But OK.

ALL HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE OF REPLACING DEREK CARR ON THE OAKLAND RAIDERS! 
So obviously, they aren't included in my "Joe Shmoe" reference... I'm talking about 2019 Derek Carr my brother... Not NFL Films...

Ok, but all of them were either late round picks or league journeyman. I'm sure the late rounders weren't considered big names (obvious since they went late rounds) and the journeymen weren't considered to be franchise QB's. (since their previous teams let them go or traded them) But they still came in, changed minds, and won Championships. So who the Joe Shmoe is in 2019 could be anyone. It could even be Peterman! (Ha! I really doubt it though!)

I would agree that as rounds (draft) or years (journeyman) go by, the odds of finding a gem get worse. But it's still a possibility that seems to happen at least fairly often.

Again, who is this prodigal savior you speak of?  Because without a name, wouldn't "Joe Shmoe" be an accurate assessment... (Considering Joe Shmoe basically means a nobody)


IMO it would be an accurate assessment if Joe Schmoe meant anybody instead of nobody. The prodigal savior could be anybody. Take your pick. Who's some free agent QB's this year? Tyrod Taylor, Fitz, Osweiler. I can look at most and think it couldn't happen, but the fact is it could happen to any of them. The next team they are on could be the team that everything seems to fit together and they make huge strides in their game. 


I'm not sorry I feel differently. Nor am I sorry you feel differently. We can disagree and that is fine. I'm good with that. I feel there can be plenty of in between and in between opinions. And I will respect anyone's opinion as long as the respect flows both ways.  :cheers

I'm just not sure what you're disagreeing with, that's all...  None of the guys you mentioned are suiting up for the Raiders.... And all I said, was it would have to be a "big name" draft pick, or "big name" FA to legitimately challenge him for his spot... Or it would be no challenge at all...

I'm just disagreeing on your opinion that it would have to be a big name at all. It could be anybody. As we look at players from one end of the spectrum to the other (big name to no name) the odds of finding that legitimate challenger decrease. But it can still happen and does. 

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 07:25:56 PM
I would hardly call any of the names I mentioned as a Joe Shmoe type players. All are former pro-bowlers, Superbowl winners, and/or Hall of Famer's. But OK.

ALL HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE OF REPLACING DEREK CARR ON THE OAKLAND RAIDERS! 
So obviously, they aren't included in my "Joe Shmoe" reference... I'm talking about 2019 Derek Carr my brother... Not NFL Films...

Ok, but all of them were either late round picks or league journeyman. I'm sure the late rounders weren't considered big names (obvious since they went late rounds) and the journeymen weren't considered to be franchise QB's. (since their previous teams let them go or traded them) But they still came in, changed minds, and won Championships. So who the Joe Shmoe is in 2019 could be anyone. It could even be Peterman! (Ha! I really doubt it though!)

I would agree that as rounds (draft) or years (journeyman) go by, the odds of finding a gem get worse. But it's still a possibility that seems to happen at least fairly often.

Again, who is this prodigal savior you speak of?  Because without a name, wouldn't "Joe Shmoe" be an accurate assessment... (Considering Joe Shmoe basically means a nobody)


IMO it would be an accurate assessment if Joe Schmoe meant anybody instead of nobody. The prodigal savior could be anybody. Take your pick. Who's some free agent QB's this year? Tyrod Taylor, Fitz, Osweiler. I can look at most and think it couldn't happen, but the fact is it could happen to any of them. The next team they are on could be the team that everything seems to fit together and they make huge strides in their game. 


I'm not sorry I feel differently. Nor am I sorry you feel differently. We can disagree and that is fine. I'm good with that. I feel there can be plenty of in between and in between opinions. And I will respect anyone's opinion as long as the respect flows both ways.  :cheers

I'm just not sure what you're disagreeing with, that's all...  None of the guys you mentioned are suiting up for the Raiders.... And all I said, was it would have to be a "big name" draft pick, or "big name" FA to legitimately challenge him for his spot... Or it would be no challenge at all...

I'm just disagreeing on your opinion that it would have to be a big name at all. It could be anybody. As we look at players from one end of the spectrum to the other (big name to no name) the odds of finding that legitimate challenger decrease. But it can still happen and does.

Again, if you think some no name QB is going to come in here and beat out Carr while getting 2% of the snaps in camp, more power to ya..

If only it were that easy,  no one would have QB problems...

And no, it doesn't happen brother...  I can't even remember (right now) the last time it did, outside of injury or a team having a pathetic start to a season....

I'm telling you, no one is coming here to "beat out" Carr, no one not named Nick Foles, Haskins, Murray or whoever else is projected as a top QB prospect...

And again, mentioning all these old timers doesn't serve a purpose here.  None of them are suiting up... And of course hindsight is 20/20.... 

You keep stretching it to the Old Timers and other teams... What you're suggesting has microscopic to no chance at happening in 2019 with Derek Carr and Gruden's Raiders...  It's either going to be Carr's show... with some lame at backup... Or we'll sign a big name QB or draft one of the top prospects... and have a TRUE quarterback competition...

Tyrod?  Fitz?  Osweiler?  Gtfoh man, lol....  We're not signing ANY of those guys with the hope that they come here and "beat out" Carr for the starting job...  If so.. and if that's your opinion, we're fucking doomed, lol... I get what you're saying, I do... but the chances of that shit happening next season... well...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 15, 2019, 08:19:31 PM

Again, if you think some no name QB is going to come in here and beat out Carr while getting 2% of the snaps in camp, more power to ya..

If only it were that easy,  no one would have QB problems...

Who said it was easy?


And no, it doesn't happen brother...  I can't even remember (right now) the last time it did, outside of injury or a team having a pathetic start to a season....

It does happen. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it doesn't.

I can understand you dismissing the injury reason for being replaced. But pathetic starts? If the top QB is being replaced by a back up due to pathetic starts it should count as part of this conversation.


I'm telling you, no one is coming here to "beat out" Carr, no one not named Nick Foles, Haskins, Murray or whoever else is projected as a top QB prospect...


UMMM....Foles was a 3rd round pick and is a league journeyman. 4 different stints with 3 different teams (two stints in Philly) in 7 years. While he has had some success it seems no team wants to give him the job. I mean, he was beat out by Keenum with the Rams. So if you think Foles could come in and Beat out Carr you kinda prove my point it can be done.

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On November 16, the Rams named Keenum the starting quarterback after announcing they had benched Foles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Keenum



And again, mentioning all these old timers doesn't serve a purpose here.  None of them are suiting up... And of course hindsight is 20/20.... 

Dude, I've explained the purpose and it is valid. If you don't like it, fine. But the point of bringing them up has a clear link to the subject matter.


You keep stretching it to the Old Timers and other teams... What you're suggesting has microscopic to no chance at happening in 2019 with Derek Carr and Gruden's Raiders...  It's either going to be Carr's show... with some lame at backup... Or we'll sign a big name QB or draft one of the top prospects... and have a TRUE quarterback competition...

Finally, you admit there is a chance it could happen. Was that really that hard?


Tyrod?  Fitz?  Osweiler?  Gtfoh man, lol....

Hey, I agree. Microscopic to no chance. But that is still a chance.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 09:51:47 PM

Again, if you think some no name QB is going to come in here and beat out Carr while getting 2% of the snaps in camp, more power to ya..

If only it were that easy,  no one would have QB problems...

Who said it was easy?

Who said YOU said it was easy?


And no, it doesn't happen brother...  I can't even remember (right now) the last time it did, outside of injury or a team having a pathetic start to a season....

It does happen. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it doesn't.

I can understand you dismissing the injury reason for being replaced. But pathetic starts? If the top QB is being replaced by a back up due to pathetic starts it should count as part of this conversation.

Example/s?

Mind you, we're talking about COMPETITION... that usually happens in Camp... Not after a starter has been declared and the season is underway... So I think pathetic starts and injuries shouldn't count...  Losing your job because of poor play, is not always the same as being beaten out... IMO...

Schaub didn't play bad... Carr just played better... and was a 2nd round pick, which validated him being elevated so early... Alex Smith didn't play bad, Mahomes was thought of as being better for the future...


I'm telling you, no one is coming here to "beat out" Carr, no one not named Nick Foles, Haskins, Murray or whoever else is projected as a top QB prospect...


UMMM....Foles was a 3rd round pick and is a league journeyman. 4 different stints with 3 different teams (two stints in Philly) in 7 years. While he has had some success it seems no team wants to give him the job. I mean, he was beat out by Keenum with the Rams. So if you think Foles could come in and Beat out Carr you kinda prove my point it can be done.

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On November 16, the Rams named Keenum the starting quarterback after announcing they had benched Foles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Keenum


I never said Foles would come in and beat out Carr... I said Foles is about the ONLY QB on the market that can come and LEGITIMATELY challenge Carr for the starting spot... THAT'S what I said...

And Foles is the exception to the rule... I mean, he's a Super Bowl winning QB bro... And once again stepped in and led his team to the playoffs and nearly another NFC Championship birth...

He is in no way at the level of Taylor, Fitz or Osweiler... For you to think so, kinda proves my point...


And again, mentioning all these old timers doesn't serve a purpose here.  None of them are suiting up... And of course hindsight is 20/20.... 

Dude, I've explained the purpose and it is valid. If you don't like it, fine. But the point of bringing them up has a clear link to the subject matter.

Not about liking it, it's just we're talking about 2019... and you're talking about instances from 10-20-30-40 years ago brother... So I definitely don't see the link...

Unless you're saying that Taylor, Fitz and Osweiler are the same as Plunkett, Gannon and Warner... (Yikes)... If you say so bro... I think those 3 are exactly what they are and what they've shown...  You think different?  Well, this offseason, I expect you to be beating the drum to sign these guys when they become available... (I won't forget)...


You keep stretching it to the Old Timers and other teams... What you're suggesting has microscopic to no chance at happening in 2019 with Derek Carr and Gruden's Raiders...  It's either going to be Carr's show... with some lame at backup... Or we'll sign a big name QB or draft one of the top prospects... and have a TRUE quarterback competition...

Finally, you admit there is a chance it could happen. Was that really that hard?

Clearly you missed the sarcasm... No chance that happens in 2019... Care to make a wager?


Tyrod?  Fitz?  Osweiler?  Gtfoh man, lol....

Hey, I agree. Microscopic to no chance. But that is still a chance.

(https://i.gifer.com/JAxw.gif)
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 15, 2019, 10:43:45 PM

Again, if you think some no name QB is going to come in here and beat out Carr while getting 2% of the snaps in camp, more power to ya..

If only it were that easy,  no one would have QB problems...

Who said it was easy?

Who said YOU said it was easy?


And no, it doesn't happen brother...  I can't even remember (right now) the last time it did, outside of injury or a team having a pathetic start to a season....

It does happen. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it doesn't.

I can understand you dismissing the injury reason for being replaced. But pathetic starts? If the top QB is being replaced by a back up due to pathetic starts it should count as part of this conversation.

Example/s?

Mind you, we're talking about COMPETITION... that usually happens in Camp... Not after a starter has been declared and the season is underway... So I think pathetic starts and injuries shouldn't count...  Losing your job because of poor play, is not always the same as being beaten out... IMO...

Schaub didn't play bad... Carr just played better... and was a 2nd round pick, which validated him being elevated so early... Alex Smith didn't play bad, Mahomes was thought of as being better for the future...


I'm telling you, no one is coming here to "beat out" Carr, no one not named Nick Foles, Haskins, Murray or whoever else is projected as a top QB prospect...


UMMM....Foles was a 3rd round pick and is a league journeyman. 4 different stints with 3 different teams (two stints in Philly) in 7 years. While he has had some success it seems no team wants to give him the job. I mean, he was beat out by Keenum with the Rams. So if you think Foles could come in and Beat out Carr you kinda prove my point it can be done.

Quote
On November 16, the Rams named Keenum the starting quarterback after announcing they had benched Foles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Keenum


I never said Foles would come in and beat out Carr... I said Foles is about the ONLY QB on the market that can come and LEGITIMATELY challenge Carr for the starting spot... THAT'S what I said...

And Foles is the exception to the rule... I mean, he's a Super Bowl winning QB bro... And once again stepped in and led his team to the playoffs and nearly another NFC Championship birth...

He is in no way at the level of Taylor, Fitz or Osweiler... For you to think so, kinda proves my point...


And again, mentioning all these old timers doesn't serve a purpose here.  None of them are suiting up... And of course hindsight is 20/20.... 

Dude, I've explained the purpose and it is valid. If you don't like it, fine. But the point of bringing them up has a clear link to the subject matter.

Not about liking it, it's just we're talking about 2019... and you're talking about instances from 10-20-30-40 years ago brother... So I definitely don't see the link...

Unless you're saying that Taylor, Fitz and Osweiler are the same as Plunkett, Gannon and Warner... (Yikes)... If you say so bro... I think those 3 are exactly what they are and what they've shown...  You think different?  Well, this offseason, I expect you to be beating the drum to sign these guys when they become available... (I won't forget)...


You keep stretching it to the Old Timers and other teams... What you're suggesting has microscopic to no chance at happening in 2019 with Derek Carr and Gruden's Raiders...  It's either going to be Carr's show... with some lame at backup... Or we'll sign a big name QB or draft one of the top prospects... and have a TRUE quarterback competition...

Finally, you admit there is a chance it could happen. Was that really that hard?

Clearly you missed the sarcasm... No chance that happens in 2019... Care to make a wager?


Tyrod?  Fitz?  Osweiler?  Gtfoh man, lol....

Hey, I agree. Microscopic to no chance. But that is still a chance.

(https://i.gifer.com/JAxw.gif)

Oh for fucks sake!

Ok VA. I'm done.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 15, 2019, 11:17:31 PM
Just to explain my departure since you seem to understand GIF and MEMES better.

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Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 15, 2019, 11:35:35 PM

Again, if you think some no name QB is going to come in here and beat out Carr while getting 2% of the snaps in camp, more power to ya..

If only it were that easy,  no one would have QB problems...

Who said it was easy?

Who said YOU said it was easy?


And no, it doesn't happen brother...  I can't even remember (right now) the last time it did, outside of injury or a team having a pathetic start to a season....

It does happen. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it doesn't.

I can understand you dismissing the injury reason for being replaced. But pathetic starts? If the top QB is being replaced by a back up due to pathetic starts it should count as part of this conversation.

Example/s?

Mind you, we're talking about COMPETITION... that usually happens in Camp... Not after a starter has been declared and the season is underway... So I think pathetic starts and injuries shouldn't count...  Losing your job because of poor play, is not always the same as being beaten out... IMO...

Schaub didn't play bad... Carr just played better... and was a 2nd round pick, which validated him being elevated so early... Alex Smith didn't play bad, Mahomes was thought of as being better for the future...


I'm telling you, no one is coming here to "beat out" Carr, no one not named Nick Foles, Haskins, Murray or whoever else is projected as a top QB prospect...


UMMM....Foles was a 3rd round pick and is a league journeyman. 4 different stints with 3 different teams (two stints in Philly) in 7 years. While he has had some success it seems no team wants to give him the job. I mean, he was beat out by Keenum with the Rams. So if you think Foles could come in and Beat out Carr you kinda prove my point it can be done.

Quote
On November 16, the Rams named Keenum the starting quarterback after announcing they had benched Foles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Keenum


I never said Foles would come in and beat out Carr... I said Foles is about the ONLY QB on the market that can come and LEGITIMATELY challenge Carr for the starting spot... THAT'S what I said...

And Foles is the exception to the rule... I mean, he's a Super Bowl winning QB bro... And once again stepped in and led his team to the playoffs and nearly another NFC Championship birth...

He is in no way at the level of Taylor, Fitz or Osweiler... For you to think so, kinda proves my point...


And again, mentioning all these old timers doesn't serve a purpose here.  None of them are suiting up... And of course hindsight is 20/20.... 

Dude, I've explained the purpose and it is valid. If you don't like it, fine. But the point of bringing them up has a clear link to the subject matter.

Not about liking it, it's just we're talking about 2019... and you're talking about instances from 10-20-30-40 years ago brother... So I definitely don't see the link...

Unless you're saying that Taylor, Fitz and Osweiler are the same as Plunkett, Gannon and Warner... (Yikes)... If you say so bro... I think those 3 are exactly what they are and what they've shown...  You think different?  Well, this offseason, I expect you to be beating the drum to sign these guys when they become available... (I won't forget)...


You keep stretching it to the Old Timers and other teams... What you're suggesting has microscopic to no chance at happening in 2019 with Derek Carr and Gruden's Raiders...  It's either going to be Carr's show... with some lame at backup... Or we'll sign a big name QB or draft one of the top prospects... and have a TRUE quarterback competition...

Finally, you admit there is a chance it could happen. Was that really that hard?

Clearly you missed the sarcasm... No chance that happens in 2019... Care to make a wager?


Tyrod?  Fitz?  Osweiler?  Gtfoh man, lol....

Hey, I agree. Microscopic to no chance. But that is still a chance.

(https://i.gifer.com/JAxw.gif)

Oh for fucks sake!

Ok VA. I'm done.

IJS bro...

Either Carr is our QB next season...

Or it will be a high profile draft pick or Free Agent...

Not a journeyman or some late round project pick...

You don't agree?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 16, 2019, 01:57:51 AM
Quote
Evan Silva  @evansilva

Elite OL coach Tom Cable's year-by-year unit rankings in this metric:

2018: 25th
2017: 31st
2016: 26th
2015: 30th
2014: 24th
2013: 32nd
2012: 20th
2011: 24th
2010: 26th
2009: 31st

Elite consistency.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 16, 2019, 01:59:03 AM
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Evan Silva  @evansilva

Elite OL coach Tom Cable's year-by-year unit rankings in this metric:

2018: 25th
2017: 31st
2016: 26th
2015: 30th
2014: 24th
2013: 32nd
2012: 20th
2011: 24th
2010: 26th
2009: 31st

Elite consistency.

Evan Silva  @evansilva

Where NFC & AFC Championship Game qualifiers ranked in @fboutsiders Offensive Line pass-protection metric:

#Patriots -- No. 1
#Saints -- No. 3
#Chiefs -- No. 5
#Rams -- No. 6

10:56 AM - 15 Jan 2019
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 17, 2019, 07:31:51 PM
Quote
Matt Schneidman  @mattschneidman

Derek Carr on his YouTube stream: "To all you haters, I'm sorry. But I'm here until I'm not."

2:31 PM - 17 Jan 2019
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 17, 2019, 07:43:26 PM
Lots of haters out there in this world.  :agree
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 18, 2019, 11:36:59 AM
Derek Carr's best throws of 2018

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jW_6_FL15Q
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 25, 2019, 11:31:12 AM
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Matt Schneidman  @mattschneidman

Derek Carr on his YouTube stream: "To all you haters, I'm sorry. But I'm here until I'm not."

2:31 PM - 17 Jan 2019
April? Lol
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: RaiderInDenver on January 25, 2019, 12:13:42 PM
Quote
Matt Schneidman  @mattschneidman

Derek Carr on his YouTube stream: "To all you haters, I'm sorry. But I'm here until I'm not."

2:31 PM - 17 Jan 2019
April? Lol

Carr is digging a ditch .
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 25, 2019, 03:14:38 PM
I've just been informed that V will not be posting a video of Carr's worst throws due to the fact nobody has time to watch a 5 hour video.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 25, 2019, 04:41:25 PM
I've just been informed that V will not be posting a video of Carr's worst throws due to the fact nobody has time to watch a 5 hour video.

Would you say he has more good throws or bad throws?  Just curious...

For a QB with a 63% completion rate... and hella drops... I would say more good... right?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: JackTatum on January 25, 2019, 07:10:49 PM
Derek Carr's best throws of 2018

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jW_6_FL15Q

A lot of those is receivers made him look good. They were thrown high and they bailed him out.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 25, 2019, 08:07:35 PM
I've just been informed that V will not be posting a video of Carr's worst throws due to the fact nobody has time to watch a 5 hour video.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 25, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Derek Carr's best throws of 2018

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jW_6_FL15Q

A lot of those is receivers made him look good. They were thrown high and they bailed him out.

What about the drops? 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on January 26, 2019, 02:23:04 AM
I've just been informed that V will not be posting a video of Carr's worst throws due to the fact nobody has time to watch a 5 hour video.

Would you say he has more good throws or bad throws?  Just curious...

For a QB with a 63% completion rate... and hella drops... I would say more good... right?

Depends, do dump off passes count good?

I know where your driving the bus. Mayock said DC can make all the throws. He didn't say DC makes all the throws.

If DC this year proves to me, he'll move around in the pocket, goes through all his reads, and doesn't cry after getting hurt,.............

Ehhhh, I'm still dumping his ass after this year based on his cap.

He has not earned his salary in my eyes.

But it's not what I, you, anybody thinks...... simply because JG isn't going into Vegas with a QB that can't get it done.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 26, 2019, 07:43:52 AM
I still say dump his ass this year.  Trade him to the giants.  Get their first rounder and build our defense for ten year.  Sign teddy B.  Because if our offensive line showed us one thing this year.  Whomever is under center will need to be able to run.  Give Grudens picks another year to develop in the system.  See if we have any budding stars.  Draft our qb of the future next year.  John has ten years to get the offense right.  This is the best defensive draft In 20 years.  Square our defense up please. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 26, 2019, 04:49:58 PM
And then there's this...

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PFF OAK Raiders  @PFF_Raiders

#Raiders offensive line pass blocking efficiency rankings by year:
 
2015: 2nd
2016: 1st
2017: 4th
2018: 26th
 
Get PFF for all Raiders data:
http://bit.ly/2I7s4k0
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 26, 2019, 04:51:10 PM
Everyone knows, I have no problem ripping Carr, Gruden, whoever a new one...  but some shit just ain't fair... I try to hold guys accountable for what they are ACTUALLY responsible for, sue me...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 27, 2019, 08:02:02 AM
And then there's this...

Quote
PFF OAK Raiders  @PFF_Raiders

#Raiders offensive line pass blocking efficiency rankings by year:
 
2015: 2nd
2016: 1st
2017: 4th
2018: 26th
 
Get PFF for all Raiders data:
http://bit.ly/2I7s4k0
I dont know how to mlm look bbn that shit up.  You could see it though.   People in the backfield all season long for the first 2/3 it was immediately.  They did get better in the last third.  I still dont trust them.  And that is another reason I want rid of carr.  He's one really big hit from a little rascal.  Dudes already got a back.  Ley him go at for s I'll someone else hopefully he lasts.  Our luck.  He won't here.  And lets.get back up t I'll. The top.of the first and get an ok there defensive  stud.   It's a no brainer.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 28, 2019, 06:19:34 PM
I hate my new phone that shit makes no sense
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on January 28, 2019, 06:46:23 PM
I hate my new phone that shit makes no sense

I couldn't tell if you were drunk or speaking in tongues.

IMHO, I don't think trading Card for picks does anything other than make us worse. And I also think it muddies our future even more. Finding a competent QB in the NFL is one of the hardest things to do in sports. Until an upgrade is made (and no I wouldn't say any of the college kids would be an upgrade until they have shown it on an NFL field), trading Carr would be even more foolish than trading Mack.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on January 28, 2019, 07:02:54 PM
I hate my new phone that shit makes no sense

I couldn't tell if you were drunk or speaking in tongues.

IMHO, I don't think trading Card for picks does anything other than make us worse. And I also think it muddies our future even more. Finding a competent QB in the NFL is one of the hardest things to do in sports. Until an upgrade is made (and no I wouldn't say any of the college kids would be an upgrade until they have shown it on an NFL field), trading Carr would be even more foolish than trading Mack.

This
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on January 28, 2019, 11:14:23 PM
I hate my new phone that shit makes no sense

I couldn't tell if you were drunk or speaking in tongues.

IMHO, I don't think trading Card for picks does anything other than make us worse. And I also think it muddies our future even more. Finding a competent QB in the NFL is one of the hardest things to do in sports. Until an upgrade is made (and no I wouldn't say any of the college kids would be an upgrade until they have shown it on an NFL field), trading Carr would be even more foolish than trading Mack.

This
This This
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 29, 2019, 11:40:39 AM
I hate my new phone that shit makes no sense

I couldn't tell if you were drunk or speaking in tongues.

IMHO, I don't think trading Card for picks does anything other than make us worse. And I also think it muddies our future even more. Finding a competent QB in the NFL is one of the hardest things to do in sports. Until an upgrade is made (and no I wouldn't say any of the college kids would be an upgrade until they have shown it on an NFL field), trading Carr would be even more foolish than trading Mack.
I do believe that your misunderstanding what's going on.  This is a rebuild.  Our offensive line plays been horrific for two years.  We cannot protect whomever is under center.  Why do you want to pay someone that much a year to get broken? We have too many holes to be competitive.  Cut bait with car.  Draft our new guy next year and let's see what our defense can become.  Sorry to say but we already k ow what this offense is.  NOT GOOD ENOUGH.  RIP it down start over.  I'm all about it.  Look at our payroll....look at our performance....do it again.  Keep doing it until you understand what I mean.  Figuratively speaking.  Your mentality is the little Dutch boy plugging holes with his fingers.  .too Many holes bro.   To many holes.  Gut that shit.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on January 29, 2019, 07:23:57 PM
I hate my new phone that shit makes no sense

I couldn't tell if you were drunk or speaking in tongues.

IMHO, I don't think trading Card for picks does anything other than make us worse. And I also think it muddies our future even more. Finding a competent QB in the NFL is one of the hardest things to do in sports. Until an upgrade is made (and no I wouldn't say any of the college kids would be an upgrade until they have shown it on an NFL field), trading Carr would be even more foolish than trading Mack.

Nothing is as foolish as trading Mack, lol...

But I agree... but that doesn't mean we can't spend a high pick on one of these QBs... He shouldn't have the position gifted to him, he needs to "re-earn" it, IMO...

Or else we may just be walking in circles with him... I.E Matthew Stafford...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Earl on January 29, 2019, 09:59:40 PM
Bill Romanowski: Derek Carr not the guy to lead Raiders to a Super Bowl

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Bill Romanowski: Derek Carr not the guy to lead Raiders to a Super Bowl


Derek Carr had a rough 2018 season and his offseason hasn't been much better.
Bill Romanowski: Derek Carr not the guy to lead Raiders to a Super Bowl originally appeared on nbcsportsbayarea.com

Derek Carr had a rough 2018 season, and his offseason hasn't been much better.

Last week, Carr got into a war of words with the hosts of First Take after they questioned his desire.

Now, former Raiders linebacker Bill Romanowski is questioning Carr's ability to win games at a high clip.

"I watched Derek Carr this year," Romanowski said Tuesday on KNBR 680. "I saw some real bright times. But I saw some times that looked really bad. And I just know what Jon Gruden likes. He likes tough guys. And I'm not saying Derek Carr isn't tough. Derek Carr is tough. He's a good player. Is he the guy that can lead the organization to Super Bowl titles? I don't know if I can say that right now."

Carr put together his best season in 2016, his third year in the league. With the Raiders sitting at 11-3 and looking like Super Bowl contenders, Carr suffered a broken right fibula in Week 16 against the Colts. He missed the season finale and watched from the sidelines as the Texans beat Connor Cook and the Raiders in an AFC Wild Card playoff game.

"I thought there was a period, Year 1, 2, 3," Romanowski said. "Where he was starting to make that progression into being an elite quarterback in the NFL that could potentially lead the Oakland Raiders to Super Bowls and then he breaks his ankle (Editor's note: Carr broke his fibula) and I truly believe he has not been the same since that ankle injury."

Gruden has nine years left on his 10-year, $100 million contract with the Raiders, and Romanowski believes the Raiders head coach is trying to build something special.

"I just don't know if Derek Carr is a guy that can lead the Raiders to a dynasty," Romanowski said. "And I think Jon Gruden wants to build a dynasty over the next nine years."

Carr took on the First Take hosts. We'll see if he decides to respond to Romo.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bill-romanowski-derek-carr-not-182949020.html
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on January 29, 2019, 10:42:05 PM
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No one in NFL history has more 4th QTR comebacks than Derek Carr through a player's first five years.

1. Derek Carr (16)
2. Matt Ryan (15)
3t. John Elway (13)
3t. Andrew Luck
3t. Peyton Manning
3t. Jake Plummer
3t. Ben Roethlisberger
3t. Doug Williams
3t. Russell Wilson
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
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*Career highs in 2018 in completions, comp %, yds & yds/att.

*3rd-longest streak in NFL history w/o an INT

*Most completions through first 5 years in NFL history

*3rd Raider ever to exceed 4K yds

*7th in NFL history w/ 122 TDs through first 5 years
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
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No one in NFL history has more 4th QTR comebacks than Derek Carr through a player's first five years.

1. Derek Carr (16)
2. Matt Ryan (15)
3t. John Elway (13)
3t. Andrew Luck
3t. Peyton Manning
3t. Jake Plummer
3t. Ben Roethlisberger
3t. Doug Williams
3t. Russell Wilson


Wouldn't need comebacks if he played better the 1st 50 minutes of the game...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
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2. Matt Ryan (15)
3t. John Elway (13)
3t. Andrew Luck
3t. Peyton Manning
3t. Jake Plummer
3t. Ben Roethlisberger
3t. Doug Williams
3t. Russell Wilson


Wouldn't need comebacks if he played better the 1st 50 minutes of the game...
Or if the defense could hold their own also.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
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2. Matt Ryan (15)
3t. John Elway (13)
3t. Andrew Luck
3t. Peyton Manning
3t. Jake Plummer
3t. Ben Roethlisberger
3t. Doug Williams
3t. Russell Wilson


Wouldn't need comebacks if he played better the 1st 50 minutes of the game...
Or if the defense could hold their own also.

Would be easier to hold if they weren't on the field so much... Or if we had a punter that could actually punt...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on January 30, 2019, 11:27:58 AM
I hate my new phone that shit makes no sense

I couldn't tell if you were drunk or speaking in tongues.

IMHO, I don't think trading Card for picks does anything other than make us worse. And I also think it muddies our future even more. Finding a competent QB in the NFL is one of the hardest things to do in sports. Until an upgrade is made (and no I wouldn't say any of the college kids would be an upgrade until they have shown it on an NFL field), trading Carr would be even more foolish than trading Mack.
I do believe that your misunderstanding what's going on.  This is a rebuild.  Our offensive line plays been horrific for two years.  We cannot protect whomever is under center.  Why do you want to pay someone that much a year to get broken? We have too many holes to be competitive.  Cut bait with car.  Draft our new guy next year and let's see what our defense can become.  Sorry to say but we already k ow what this offense is.  NOT GOOD ENOUGH.  RIP it down start over.  I'm all about it.  Look at our payroll....look at our performance....do it again.  Keep doing it until you understand what I mean.  Figuratively speaking.  Your mentality is the little Dutch boy plugging holes with his fingers.  .too Many holes bro.   To many holes.  Gut that shit.

Ok, so your answer is to trade Carr, draft a QB with our first #1 pick and then let him get clobbered for a couple years while you rebuild the O-line and defense?

We are $50 mill under the cap with 3 1st round picks. Trading Carr is unnecessary because you can rebuild around him. The hard part is over. Rebuilding the O-line and the defense is easier than getting a QB who can play like Carr.

Have you been paying attention to the past 18 or so years? Oakland has been a QB wasteland prior to the 2014 draft.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on January 30, 2019, 03:12:09 PM
I've never said he's a  bad quarterback.  Quite the opposite actually.  I just think having carr right now doesn't make sense.  Our offensive lines ok n the decline.  No weapons in the middle of a rebuild.  Why do you need a piece with that large of a price tag.  When. You can trade him.  Get an immediate impact player of defense on the cheap.  It just makes sense
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on February 01, 2019, 12:21:54 AM
I've never said he's a  bad quarterback.  Quite the opposite actually.  I just think having carr right now doesn't make sense.  Our offensive lines ok n the decline.  No weapons in the middle of a rebuild.  Why do you need a piece with that large of a price tag.  When. You can trade him.  Get an immediate impact player of defense on the cheap.  It just makes sense

It makes sense to keep Carr because finding a good NFL QB is pretty fucking hard. And for us it has been once a decade hard. So, why trade a good (and if protected and with weapons a great) QB, rebuild the line and the defense and then have nobody who can take advantage of these gifts?

Now, if somebody blows you away with an offer, you ask for more and if they throw in another 1st rounder you pull the trigger. You don't blink and take your initial asking price like we did with Mack.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 01, 2019, 04:29:27 PM
I've never said he's a  bad quarterback.  Quite the opposite actually.  I just think having carr right now doesn't make sense.  Our offensive lines ok n the decline.  No weapons in the middle of a rebuild.  Why do you need a piece with that large of a price tag.  When. You can trade him.  Get an immediate impact player of defense on the cheap.  It just makes sense

It makes sense to keep Carr because finding a good NFL QB is pretty fucking hard. And for us it has been once a decade hard. So, why trade a good (and if protected and with weapons a great) QB, rebuild the line and the defense and then have nobody who can take advantage of these gifts?

Now, if somebody blows you away with an offer, you ask for more and if they throw in another 1st rounder you pull the trigger. You don't blink and take your initial asking price like we did with Mack.
I like carr I think he's good.  That's why I trade him instead of cutting him.  He lost the team.  This team imploded under his watch.  I said it when it happened.  They all needed t ok go.  That's why I originally started this thought.  But honestly good QBs are coming out of college all the time these days.  And Carr I definetly good
  I dont know I'd hes great.  If I can get a high first rounder this year for him hes gone.  Period.  I would venture that there are more good QBs in this league vs defenses.  So if we can get a legit defense out of this draft..all in boys and girls.  And if we end up drafting several mack caliber players... shit.  This team it sucks.....reboot the God damned thing.  We have so many holes we can literally play yo the strengths of the draft a
And have higher chances of hitting big.  I'm all.about it.  You still like him.  You think he succeeded when the odds were stacked against him?  You think he's a good dude?  You think he'd make. Good face to your franchise.  Good that's why you trade him because if you watch all his games and still think that then your not the only one.  Get the defe e this year.

Car lost this team.  Doesn't mean hell lose the next one.  Car IS injury prone.  He already has a back.  Carr has terrible pocket awareness.  That usually doesn't lead to a prolonged career.  Carr get happy feet and cant stand in the face of a pass rush without falling apart.  And who can blame hi. He got his ass smashed.  But if he had better pocket awareness would that have happened?  I would venture to say that a lot of good QBs could look the way carr did playing behind that line(when they were playing well) before he lost the team.  So I would simply say.  Get what you can for him and roll the dice on another guy who's not got a back who's not costing us 25 mill a year and build your defense.  Because if you willing yo buddy bet carr can rebound  then other gems are willing to be as well.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: emaytiti on February 01, 2019, 04:37:46 PM
This makes a lot of sense. All we have to do is draft several Mack caliber players. Hopefully the rest of the league doesn't find out what were trying to do
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 02, 2019, 01:25:16 PM
This makes a lot of sense. All we have to do is draft several Mack caliber players. Hopefully the rest of the league doesn't find out what were trying to do
lol agreed.  Roflol but the defe dive talent is there to be taken.  The best defensive In 20 years.  Play to the strength of the draft.  We want game changers pull from where the talents the deepest. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on February 03, 2019, 10:31:43 AM
This makes a lot of sense. All we have to do is draft several Mack caliber players. Hopefully the rest of the league doesn't find out what were trying to do
lol agreed.  Roflol but the defe dive talent is there to be taken.  The best defensive In 20 years.  Play to the strength of the draft.  We want game changers pull from where the talents the deepest.

Which makes dumping our QB the wrong move. There may not be a stud QB in this draft and you sure can't count on one being there late in the first round.

And it's kinda foolish to think we can draft a few 'Mack caliber' players in any draft. IMO, he was a once in a generation type player. They don't grow on trees.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 04, 2019, 10:28:19 AM
This makes a lot of sense. All we have to do is draft several Mack caliber players. Hopefully the rest of the league doesn't find out what were trying to do
lol agreed.  Roflol but the defe dive talent is there to be taken.  The best defensive In 20 years.  Play to the strength of the draft.  We want game changers pull from where the talents the deepest.

Which makes dumping our QB the wrong move. There may not be a stud QB in this draft and you sure can't count on one being there late in the first round.

And it's kinda foolish to think we can draft a few 'Mack caliber' players in any draft. IMO, he was a once in a generation type player. They don't grow on trees.
you misunderstand me.  I do not t want a stud qb this year.  And dominant defensive players can be found in every draft.  Lol how good was our defense with that once in a generation player?  Stop drinking the coolaid.  Psst and calling Carr a stud is a bit of an overstatement no lmao?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: CB on February 04, 2019, 06:26:28 PM
This makes a lot of sense. All we have to do is draft several Mack caliber players. Hopefully the rest of the league doesn't find out what were trying to do
lol agreed.  Roflol but the defe dive talent is there to be taken.  The best defensive In 20 years.  Play to the strength of the draft.  We want game changers pull from where the talents the deepest.

Which makes dumping our QB the wrong move. There may not be a stud QB in this draft and you sure can't count on one being there late in the first round.

And it's kinda foolish to think we can draft a few 'Mack caliber' players in any draft. IMO, he was a once in a generation type player. They don't grow on trees.
you misunderstand me.  I do not t want a stud qb this year.  And dominant defensive players can be found in every draft.  Lol how good was our defense with that once in a generation player?  Stop drinking the coolaid.  Psst and calling Carr a stud is a bit of an overstatement no lmao?

If you don't have a decent (or a stud) QB it doesn't matter how good your defense is. And building a good defense is easier than finding a QB. IMO, I would keep Carr and use the top picks on the holes in defense and the use FA to repair the O-line.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: nutmg1 on February 06, 2019, 10:43:56 AM
I've never said he's a  bad quarterback.  Quite the opposite actually.  I just think having carr right now doesn't make sense.  Our offensive lines ok n the decline.  No weapons in the middle of a rebuild.  Why do you need a piece with that large of a price tag.  When. You can trade him.  Get an immediate impact player of defense on the cheap.  It just makes sense

It makes sense to keep Carr because finding a good NFL QB is pretty fucking hard. And for us it has been once a decade hard. So, why trade a good (and if protected and with weapons a great) QB, rebuild the line and the defense and then have nobody who can take advantage of these gifts?

Now, if somebody blows you away with an offer, you ask for more and if they throw in another 1st rounder you pull the trigger. You don't blink and take your initial asking price like we did with Mack.
I like carr I think he's good.  That's why I trade him instead of cutting him.  He lost the team.  This team imploded under his watch.  I said it when it happened.  They all needed t ok go.  That's why I originally started this thought.  But honestly good QBs are coming out of college all the time these days.  And Carr I definetly good
  I dont know I'd hes great.  If I can get a high first rounder this year for him hes gone.  Period.  I would venture that there are more good QBs in this league vs defenses.  So if we can get a legit defense out of this draft..all in boys and girls.  And if we end up drafting several mack caliber players... shit.  This team it sucks.....reboot the God damned thing.  We have so many holes we can literally play yo the strengths of the draft a
And have higher chances of hitting big.  I'm all.about it.  You still like him.  You think he succeeded when the odds were stacked against him?  You think he's a good dude?  You think he'd make. Good face to your franchise.  Good that's why you trade him because if you watch all his games and still think that then your not the only one.  Get the defe e this year.

Car lost this team.  Doesn't mean hell lose the next one.  Car IS injury prone.  He already has a back.  Carr has terrible pocket awareness.  That usually doesn't lead to a prolonged career.  Carr get happy feet and cant stand in the face of a pass rush without falling apart.  And who can blame hi. He got his ass smashed.  But if he had better pocket awareness would that have happened?  I would venture to say that a lot of good QBs could look the way carr did playing behind that line(when they were playing well) before he lost the team.  So I would simply say.  Get what you can for him and roll the dice on another guy who's not got a back who's not costing us 25 mill a year and build your defense.  Because if you willing yo buddy bet carr can rebound  then other gems are willing to be as well.


Exactly what team did Carr lose?  Gruden cut everyone but Carr.  The entire team last season was either on 1 or 2 year deals or rookies. 

Carr is still a top QB talent in the league and can easily be top 5 if this team is built correctly.  You can't look at the roster last season and blame Carr.

I think he might have finally grown up.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on February 06, 2019, 01:54:47 PM
Carrs 2019 salary becomes guaranteed at 1pm pst today.  If we want to cut bait, we have about two hours left.


https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2019/2/6/18214050/raiders-qb-derek-carrs-2019-salary-becomes-guaranteed-today
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: nutmg1 on February 06, 2019, 03:35:46 PM
Carrs 2019 salary becomes guaranteed at 1pm pst today.  If we want to cut bait, we have about two hours left.


https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2019/2/6/18214050/raiders-qb-derek-carrs-2019-salary-becomes-guaranteed-today

98% chance he's our starter game 1.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 06, 2019, 07:17:37 PM
Carr is nothing more than what we've already seen...

We've seen the best of him... and the worst of him...

Inconsistency is the #1 killer of Franchise QBs... and right now, he's as inconsistent as they come...

He definitely needs to be on the Hot Seat, now that his salary is guaranteed and we're stuck with him...

Matthew Stafford 2.0 or?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 09, 2019, 01:23:15 PM
This makes a lot of sense. All we have to do is draft several Mack caliber players. Hopefully the rest of the league doesn't find out what were trying to do
lol agreed.  Roflol but the defe dive talent is there to be taken.  The best defensive In 20 years.  Play to the strength of the draft.  We want game changers pull from where the talents the deepest.

Which makes dumping our QB the wrong move. There may not be a stud QB in this draft and you sure can't count on one being there late in the first round.

And it's kinda foolish to think we can draft a few 'Mack caliber' players in any draft. IMO, he was a once in a generation type player. They don't grow on trees.
you misunderstand me.  I do not t want a stud qb this year.  And dominant defensive players can be found in every draft.  Lol how good was our defense with that once in a generation player?  Stop drinking the coolaid.  Psst and calling Carr a stud is a bit of an overstatement no lmao?

If you don't have a decent (or a stud) QB it doesn't matter how good your defense is. And building a good defense is easier than finding a QB. IMO, I would keep Carr and use the top picks on the holes in defense and the use FA to repair the O-line.
we have two first round picks next year.  Personally I'd trade carr.  Get another high pick.  Build this defense.  And next year when  a better batch of QBs come out.  Get grudens guy then. Play to the strength of the draft it just makes sense.  And the whole adage that it's super hard to find good QBs is an outdated thought.  Good QBs are coming out all the time.  There would be more except for.shit teams like Cleveland who go.through QBs almost every other year.  And let's be honest it doesn't matter who they draft.  It's a terrible organization with terrible facilities.....a breeding ground for bad football.  If you took the lower echelon teams that are qb black holes out of the stats I wonder how the figures would look.  How many times do those shit teams take a qb good at certain things and put him in a system hes never going to fit in.  Or not put them behind a line that will protect them.  There is a lot of things that go Into make a qb productive.  Just like QBs get all the praise when things go well they also get the blame when they dont.  How many QBs are stuck with bad coaching or get caught in front office politics... all I'm getting at is this.  We need a team not a couple players.  We need to get the best available players and the most of them we can.  Carrs reputation will be dragged through the mud during this rebuild.  And at the end when were amidst year three of losing we may very well cut him.  Better to trade him now and get what we can for him.  We have the chance to get another impact player for him in this draft.  Dumping that contract will help with FA's.  Or we can ride his rep Into the dirt and get no value back for him.  If your under the impression were gonna be a winning team soon then you are sadly mistaken.  Honestly it's not fair to Carr to keep him either.  I like the guy but I can see the writing on the walls bro.  Wake up this is a rebuild.  Bring on the draft let's do this
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 09, 2019, 01:27:01 PM
I've never said he's a  bad quarterback.  Quite the opposite actually.  I just think having carr right now doesn't make sense.  Our offensive lines ok n the decline.  No weapons in the middle of a rebuild.  Why do you need a piece with that large of a price tag.  When. You can trade him.  Get an immediate impact player of defense on the cheap.  It just makes sense

It makes sense to keep Carr because finding a good NFL QB is pretty fucking hard. And for us it has been once a decade hard. So, why trade a good (and if protected and with weapons a great) QB, rebuild the line and the defense and then have nobody who can take advantage of these gifts?

Now, if somebody blows you away with an offer, you ask for more and if they throw in another 1st rounder you pull the trigger. You don't blink and take your initial asking price like we did with Mack.
I like carr I think he's good.  That's why I trade him instead of cutting him.  He lost the team.  This team imploded under his watch.  I said it when it happened.  They all needed t ok go.  That's why I originally started this thought.  But honestly good QBs are coming out of college all the time these days.  And Carr I definetly good
  I dont know I'd hes great.  If I can get a high first rounder this year for him hes gone.  Period.  I would venture that there are more good QBs in this league vs defenses.  So if we can get a legit defense out of this draft..all in boys and girls.  And if we end up drafting several mack caliber players... shit.  This team it sucks.....reboot the God damned thing.  We have so many holes we can literally play yo the strengths of the draft a
And have higher chances of hitting big.  I'm all.about it.  You still like him.  You think he succeeded when the odds were stacked against him?  You think he's a good dude?  You think he'd make. Good face to your franchise.  Good that's why you trade him because if you watch all his games and still think that then your not the only one.  Get the defe e this year.

Car lost this team.  Doesn't mean hell lose the next one.  Car IS injury prone.  He already has a back.  Carr has terrible pocket awareness.  That usually doesn't lead to a prolonged career.  Carr get happy feet and cant stand in the face of a pass rush without falling apart.  And who can blame hi. He got his ass smashed.  But if he had better pocket awareness would that have happened?  I would venture to say that a lot of good QBs could look the way carr did playing behind that line(when they were playing well) before he lost the team.  So I would simply say.  Get what you can for him and roll the dice on another guy who's not got a back who's not costing us 25 mill a year and build your defense.  Because if you willing yo buddy bet carr can rebound  then other gems are willing to be as well.


Exactly what team did Carr lose?  Gruden cut everyone but Carr.  The entire team last season was either on 1 or 2 year deals or rookies. 

Carr is still a top QB talent in the league and can easily be top 5 if this team is built correctly.  You can't look at the roster last season and blame Carr.

I think he might have finally grown up.
then he needs to finish his job.  Draft day trade bro.  Watch out it's going to happen.   Were in rebuild mode.  And say what you want about big red but he set us up well for this.  How many teams in full rebuild mode keep players with contracts that size.  I'm shaking the magic 8 ball and it says trade. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 09, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
Remember the beginning of this fucking terrible year.  I said this teams a disgrace.  That they weren't good enough.  Remember I was losing my shit.  And you were all still drinking your koolaid.  Here we are again.  I'm telling you.  Argue with me if you like.  The writings on the wall.  And if it doesn't happen  it needs to.  What I fear most in this draft.  Is Carr being traded and Gruden drafting another QB in the first round of this year.  But that I hope will be curtailed by our new gm who knows damned well the group coming out next year is far better qb talent wise.  So build the fucking defense this year adress the fucking offense next year.  Plus you give the current group of offensive players In year two of Grudens offense a chance to improve.  Maybe we can salvage one or  two of them.  That's best case scenario as I can see it.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 09, 2019, 03:39:37 PM
This makes a lot of sense. All we have to do is draft several Mack caliber players. Hopefully the rest of the league doesn't find out what were trying to do
lol agreed.  Roflol but the defe dive talent is there to be taken.  The best defensive In 20 years.  Play to the strength of the draft.  We want game changers pull from where the talents the deepest.

Which makes dumping our QB the wrong move. There may not be a stud QB in this draft and you sure can't count on one being there late in the first round.

And it's kinda foolish to think we can draft a few 'Mack caliber' players in any draft. IMO, he was a once in a generation type player. They don't grow on trees.
you misunderstand me.  I do not t want a stud qb this year.  And dominant defensive players can be found in every draft.  Lol how good was our defense with that once in a generation player?  Stop drinking the coolaid.  Psst and calling Carr a stud is a bit of an overstatement no lmao?

If you don't have a decent (or a stud) QB it doesn't matter how good your defense is. And building a good defense is easier than finding a QB. IMO, I would keep Carr and use the top picks on the holes in defense and the use FA to repair the O-line.
we have two first round picks next year.  Personally I'd trade carr.  Get another high pick.  Build this defense.  And next year when  a better batch of QBs come out.  Get grudens guy then. Play to the strength of the draft it just makes sense.  And the whole adage that it's super hard to find good QBs is an outdated thought.  Good QBs are coming out all the time.  There would be more except for.shit teams like Cleveland who go.through QBs almost every other year.  And let's be honest it doesn't matter who they draft.  It's a terrible organization with terrible facilities.....a breeding ground for bad football.  If you took the lower echelon teams that are qb black holes out of the stats I wonder how the figures would look.  How many times do those shit teams take a qb good at certain things and put him in a system hes never going to fit in.  Or not put them behind a line that will protect them.  There is a lot of things that go Into make a qb productive.  Just like QBs get all the praise when things go well they also get the blame when they dont.  How many QBs are stuck with bad coaching or get caught in front office politics... all I'm getting at is this.  We need a team not a couple players.  We need to get the best available players and the most of them we can.  Carrs reputation will be dragged through the mud during this rebuild.  And at the end when were amidst year three of losing we may very well cut him.  Better to trade him now and get what we can for him.  We have the chance to get another impact player for him in this draft.  Dumping that contract will help with FA's.  Or we can ride his rep Into the dirt and get no value back for him.  If your under the impression were gonna be a winning team soon then you are sadly mistaken.  Honestly it's not fair to Carr to keep him either.  I like the guy but I can see the writing on the walls bro.  Wake up this is a rebuild.  Bring on the draft let's do this

Some would say The Raiders are a Black Hole for QBs... So might as well keep the best one we've had in a while...

I honestly wouldn't be shocked, angry or surprised if Carr got traded... as long as we get Haskins or Tua this year or next...

But one thing you routinely leave out... For a trade to happen, it takes 2 teams... Someone has to be willing to pay for Carr (both in trade compensation AND his high dollar contract)... And after his last 2 seasons, it's gonna be pretty hard for someone to give up a 1st (especially a TOP 10 pick) for the kid...

So then it becomes, as simple as... would it be WORTH vacating the most important position on the field, for a 2nd or 3rd round pick... Especially when he's literally the ONLY Quarterback with a contract on our roster once FA hits...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 09, 2019, 03:42:35 PM
Remember the beginning of this fucking terrible year.  I said this teams a disgrace.  That they weren't good enough.  Remember I was losing my shit.  And you were all still drinking your koolaid.  Here we are again.  I'm telling you.  Argue with me if you like.  The writings on the wall.  And if it doesn't happen  it needs to.  What I fear most in this draft.  Is Carr being traded and Gruden drafting another QB in the first round of this year.  But that I hope will be curtailed by our new gm who knows damned well the group coming out next year is far better qb talent wise.  So build the fucking defense this year adress the fucking offense next year.  Plus you give the current group of offensive players In year two of Grudens offense a chance to improve.  Maybe we can salvage one or  two of them.  That's best case scenario as I can see it.

I wasn't drinking any KoolAid, lol...

And I think Haskins can be very good...

Murray is too high risk/high reward for me... Haskins just seems like the safer, ready to play right now, choice to me...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 09, 2019, 11:47:12 PM
This makes a lot of sense. All we have to do is draft several Mack caliber players. Hopefully the rest of the league doesn't find out what were trying to do
lol agreed.  Roflol but the defe dive talent is there to be taken.  The best defensive In 20 years.  Play to the strength of the draft.  We want game changers pull from where the talents the deepest.

Which makes dumping our QB the wrong move. There may not be a stud QB in this draft and you sure can't count on one being there late in the first round.

And it's kinda foolish to think we can draft a few 'Mack caliber' players in any draft. IMO, he was a once in a generation type player. They don't grow on trees.
you misunderstand me.  I do not t want a stud qb this year.  And dominant defensive players can be found in every draft.  Lol how good was our defense with that once in a generation player?  Stop drinking the coolaid.  Psst and calling Carr a stud is a bit of an overstatement no lmao?

If you don't have a decent (or a stud) QB it doesn't matter how good your defense is. And building a good defense is easier than finding a QB. IMO, I would keep Carr and use the top picks on the holes in defense and the use FA to repair the O-line.
we have two first round picks next year.  Personally I'd trade carr.  Get another high pick.  Build this defense.  And next year when  a better batch of QBs come out.  Get grudens guy then. Play to the strength of the draft it just makes sense.  And the whole adage that it's super hard to find good QBs is an outdated thought.  Good QBs are coming out all the time.  There would be more except for.shit teams like Cleveland who go.through QBs almost every other year.  And let's be honest it doesn't matter who they draft.  It's a terrible organization with terrible facilities.....a breeding ground for bad football.  If you took the lower echelon teams that are qb black holes out of the stats I wonder how the figures would look.  How many times do those shit teams take a qb good at certain things and put him in a system hes never going to fit in.  Or not put them behind a line that will protect them.  There is a lot of things that go Into make a qb productive.  Just like QBs get all the praise when things go well they also get the blame when they dont.  How many QBs are stuck with bad coaching or get caught in front office politics... all I'm getting at is this.  We need a team not a couple players.  We need to get the best available players and the most of them we can.  Carrs reputation will be dragged through the mud during this rebuild.  And at the end when were amidst year three of losing we may very well cut him.  Better to trade him now and get what we can for him.  We have the chance to get another impact player for him in this draft.  Dumping that contract will help with FA's.  Or we can ride his rep Into the dirt and get no value back for him.  If your under the impression were gonna be a winning team soon then you are sadly mistaken.  Honestly it's not fair to Carr to keep him either.  I like the guy but I can see the writing on the walls bro.  Wake up this is a rebuild.  Bring on the draft let's do this

Some would say The Raiders are a Black Hole for QBs... So might as well keep the best one we've had in a while...

I honestly wouldn't be shocked, angry or surprised if Carr got traded... as long as we get Haskins or Tua this year or next...

But one thing you routinely leave out... For a trade to happen, it takes 2 teams... Someone has to be willing to pay for Carr (both in trade compensation AND his high dollar contract)... And after his last 2 seasons, it's gonna be pretty hard for someone to give up a 1st (especially a TOP 10 pick) for the kid...

So then it becomes, as simple as... would it be WORTH vacating the most important position on the field, for a 2nd or 3rd round pick... Especially when he's literally the ONLY Quarterback with a contract on our roster once FA hits...
that's easy if someone trades up fo get haskins before the giants.  That makes carr the best available option.   And the giants aren't afraid to  spend.  And that's just one option.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 09, 2019, 11:48:13 PM
Remember the beginning of this fucking terrible year.  I said this teams a disgrace.  That they weren't good enough.  Remember I was losing my shit.  And you were all still drinking your koolaid.  Here we are again.  I'm telling you.  Argue with me if you like.  The writings on the wall.  And if it doesn't happen  it needs to.  What I fear most in this draft.  Is Carr being traded and Gruden drafting another QB in the first round of this year.  But that I hope will be curtailed by our new gm who knows damned well the group coming out next year is far better qb talent wise.  So build the fucking defense this year adress the fucking offense next year.  Plus you give the current group of offensive players In year two of Grudens offense a chance to improve.  Maybe we can salvage one or  two of them.  That's best case scenario as I can see it.

I wasn't drinking any KoolAid, lol...

And I think Haskins can be very good...

Murray is too high risk/high reward for me... Haskins just seems like the safer, ready to play right now, choice to me...
I'm rooting for a teddy B stop gap and drafting our qb next year
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 10, 2019, 09:11:41 AM
Remember the beginning of this fucking terrible year.  I said this teams a disgrace.  That they weren't good enough.  Remember I was losing my shit.  And you were all still drinking your koolaid.  Here we are again.  I'm telling you.  Argue with me if you like.  The writings on the wall.  And if it doesn't happen  it needs to.  What I fear most in this draft.  Is Carr being traded and Gruden drafting another QB in the first round of this year.  But that I hope will be curtailed by our new gm who knows damned well the group coming out next year is far better qb talent wise.  So build the fucking defense this year adress the fucking offense next year.  Plus you give the current group of offensive players In year two of Grudens offense a chance to improve.  Maybe we can salvage one or  two of them.  That's best case scenario as I can see it.

I wasn't drinking any KoolAid, lol...

And I think Haskins can be very good...

Murray is too high risk/high reward for me... Haskins just seems like the safer, ready to play right now, choice to me...
I'm rooting for a teddy B stop gap and drafting our qb next year

Teddy B may end up here in Washington...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 10, 2019, 12:04:14 PM
Remember the beginning of this fucking terrible year.  I said this teams a disgrace.  That they weren't good enough.  Remember I was losing my shit.  And you were all still drinking your koolaid.  Here we are again.  I'm telling you.  Argue with me if you like.  The writings on the wall.  And if it doesn't happen  it needs to.  What I fear most in this draft.  Is Carr being traded and Gruden drafting another QB in the first round of this year.  But that I hope will be curtailed by our new gm who knows damned well the group coming out next year is far better qb talent wise.  So build the fucking defense this year adress the fucking offense next year.  Plus you give the current group of offensive players In year two of Grudens offense a chance to improve.  Maybe we can salvage one or  two of them.  That's best case scenario as I can see it.

I wasn't drinking any KoolAid, lol...

And I think Haskins can be very good...

Murray is too high risk/high reward for me... Haskins just seems like the safer, ready to play right now, choice to me...
I'm rooting for a teddy B stop gap and drafting our qb next year

Teddy B may end up here in Washington...
well iTunes what it is.  The NFL is flooded with talented guys labeled back up.  All dude has to do is make it through one season and try not to die
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on February 10, 2019, 04:24:38 PM
Hey Otis! You much you want to bet that Carr will be the starting QB to start the season???
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 11, 2019, 05:38:11 AM
Hey Otis! You much you want to bet that Carr will be the starting QB to start the season???
I dont bet bro.  Work to hard for my money
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on February 11, 2019, 10:57:39 AM
I'll tell what, you heard it here first: IF Kyler Murray does as well as I think he will do at the combine, he will be considered a number one pick in the Draft and could be gone even before us at 4.  If he is still there at 4, I would not be surprised if we took him... he is that talented.  Hey, everybody laughed at Andy Reid trading up his first pick to take Mahomes with Alex Smith on the rooster.... who's laughing now?  Just sayin'
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 11, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
I'll tell what, you heard it here first: IF Kyler Murray does as well as I think he will do at the combine, he will be considered a number one pick in the Draft and could be gone even before us at 4.  If he is still there at 4, I would not be surprised if we took him... he is that talented.  Hey, everybody laughed at Andy Reid trading up his first pick to take Mahomes with Alex Smith on the rooster.... who's laughing now?  Just sayin'
I would be furious.  Lol I know the kids electric.  If we passed on cant miss Pass rushers to pick a 5 foot nothing qb .  I might just die lol
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on February 11, 2019, 11:59:11 AM
I'll tell what, you heard it here first: IF Kyler Murray does as well as I think he will do at the combine, he will be considered a number one pick in the Draft and could be gone even before us at 4.  If he is still there at 4, I would not be surprised if we took him... he is that talented.  Hey, everybody laughed at Andy Reid trading up his first pick to take Mahomes with Alex Smith on the rooster.... who's laughing now?  Just sayin'
I would be furious.  Lol I know the kids electric.  If we passed on cant miss Pass rushers to pick a 5 foot nothing qb .  I might just die lol

Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing such a pick... I'm just throwing it out there.  If you take the Reid /Mahomes example, Murray would come in for a year and learn the system under Carr, then next year, we would trade Carr and promote Murray.  I personally would not do it since we have many more holes than a QB... especially on the D.  Again, I'm just throwing it out there.

BTW, If for some reason the Murray makes it to pick 24, I wouldn't be too mad if we picked him there... just sayin'
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Raider 8 on February 11, 2019, 04:40:55 PM

Carr is nothing more than what we've already seen...

We've seen the best of him... and the worst of him...

Inconsistency is the #1 killer of Franchise QBs... and right now, he's as inconsistent as they come...

He definitely needs to be on the Hot Seat, now that his salary is guaranteed and we're stuck with him...

Matthew Stafford 2.0 or?

Why are you criticizing Stafford like that, what did he ever do to you?
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 11, 2019, 07:21:38 PM
I'll tell what, you heard it here first: IF Kyler Murray does as well as I think he will do at the combine, he will be considered a number one pick in the Draft and could be gone even before us at 4.  If he is still there at 4, I would not be surprised if we took him... he is that talented.  Hey, everybody laughed at Andy Reid trading up his first pick to take Mahomes with Alex Smith on the rooster.... who's laughing now?  Just sayin'
I would be furious.  Lol I know the kids electric.  If we passed on cant miss Pass rushers to pick a 5 foot nothing qb .  I might just die lol

Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing such a pick... I'm just throwing it out there.  If you take the Reid /Mahomes example, Murray would come in for a year and learn the system under Carr, then next year, we would trade Carr and promote Murray.  I personally would not do it since we have many more holes than a QB... especially on the D.  Again, I'm just throwing it out there.

BTW, If for some reason the Murray makes it to pick 24, I wouldn't be too mad if we picked him there... just sayin'
I dont know.  If we traded someone and got another pick.  This isn't a carr referance.  Then maybe.  But man seriously we need these three to be defensive.  No bullshit
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 11, 2019, 07:25:24 PM

Carr is nothing more than what we've already seen...

We've seen the best of him... and the worst of him...

Inconsistency is the #1 killer of Franchise QBs... and right now, he's as inconsistent as they come...

He definitely needs to be on the Hot Seat, now that his salary is guaranteed and we're stuck with him...

Matthew Stafford 2.0 or?

Why are you criticizing Stafford like that, what did he ever do to you?
carrs actually a good qb.  But bbn we need to use his value to build this team.  We can pick up other serviceable QBs through free agency.  And then draft another.  It just makes sense.  We wanna get better faster.  This is how.  The more cheap talent we have the more we can spend on fa's. The goal I'm assuming is to build a co bbn pmetely new team for Las Vegas.  And now that I'm thinking on it a guy like this Murray would bring lots of excitement.  But I'm afraid ot would be fools gold ala RG3
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on February 11, 2019, 08:57:12 PM
Hey Otis! You much you want to bet that Carr will be the starting QB to start the season???
I dont bet bro.  Work to hard for my money
I work hard for mine too! I'm just more confident in saying Carr will be my QB starting  in week 1.

You must have not much saying Carr wont.. If I'm wrong bro I'll gladly have a pizza and some beer coming your way.

And vise versa.. You down??
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 11, 2019, 09:24:10 PM
I'll tell what, you heard it here first: IF Kyler Murray does as well as I think he will do at the combine, he will be considered a number one pick in the Draft and could be gone even before us at 4.  If he is still there at 4, I would not be surprised if we took him... he is that talented.  Hey, everybody laughed at Andy Reid trading up his first pick to take Mahomes with Alex Smith on the rooster.... who's laughing now?  Just sayin'

Just last week, you said picking him early worried you and had you rethinking some things... Why the change of heart?  You know something we don't know?  Lol

If we draft a QB, IMO, it needs to be with the 27th or 2nd rounder... and ONLY Kyler or Haskins if either is still there...

Those 1st two picks are to important...

Now if we trade Carr... then of course... but not with how our draft stands now...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Raider 8 on February 12, 2019, 09:49:00 AM
Kyler may be the next Russel Wilson, but his height scares me. He may be listed as 5' 10', but he's 5'8". That's tough to play QB when your lineman are  usually 6'2" to 6'6". I'm sure he'll make some spectacular plays, but how many plays will he not make because there's not a throwing window that wouldn't affect a taller passer.

I'm not saying he can't be good, but it adds a factor of risk when picking an already risky position and using a pick that high. All our picks need to be impact players with our 3 first rounders.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 12, 2019, 03:01:29 PM
Kyler may be the next Russel Wilson, but his height scares me. He may be listed as 5' 10', but he's 5'8". That's tough to play QB when your lineman are  usually 6'2" to 6'6". I'm sure he'll make some spectacular plays, but how many plays will he not make because there's not a throwing window that wouldn't affect a taller passer.

I'm not saying he can't be good, but it adds a factor of risk when picking an already risky position and using a pick that high. All our picks need to be impact players with our 3 first rounders.

Agreed, that's why I say if we are getting a QB, I'd prefer it be Haskins at 27 or the 2nd round... IF he's available, if not... oh well... There's always Tua next year, lol...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 12, 2019, 05:02:08 PM
Hey Otis! You much you want to bet that Carr will be the starting QB to start the season???
I dont bet bro.  Work to hard for my money
I work hard for mine too! I'm just more confident in saying Carr will be my QB starting  in week 1.

You must have not much saying Carr wont.. If I'm wrong bro I'll gladly have a pizza and some beer coming your way.

And vise versa.. You down??
Hahaha fuck it.  At least we can have some fun with it.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 12, 2019, 05:05:48 PM
Kyler may be the next Russel Wilson, but his height scares me. He may be listed as 5' 10', but he's 5'8". That's tough to play QB when your lineman are  usually 6'2" to 6'6". I'm sure he'll make some spectacular plays, but how many plays will he not make because there's not a throwing window that wouldn't affect a taller passer.

I'm not saying he can't be good, but it adds a factor of risk when picking an already risky position and using a pick that high. All our picks need to be impact players with our 3 first rounders.
that last sentence u just said times 100.  Yes .  I would add one caveat  personally.  On defense.  And of course impact ina good way lol
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 12, 2019, 05:07:02 PM
Kyler may be the next Russel Wilson, but his height scares me. He may be listed as 5' 10', but he's 5'8". That's tough to play QB when your lineman are  usually 6'2" to 6'6". I'm sure he'll make some spectacular plays, but how many plays will he not make because there's not a throwing window that wouldn't affect a taller passer.

I'm not saying he can't be good, but it adds a factor of risk when picking an already risky position and using a pick that high. All our picks need to be impact players with our 3 first rounders.

Agreed, that's why I say if we are getting a QB, I'd prefer it be Haskins at 27 or the 2nd round... IF he's available, if not... oh well... There's always Tua next year, lol...
I'm shooting for next year personally.  Anybody we would want will be gone by the time were comfortable picking them.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Raider 8 on February 12, 2019, 06:55:26 PM
Kyler may be the next Russel Wilson, but his height scares me. He may be listed as 5' 10', but he's 5'8". That's tough to play QB when your lineman are  usually 6'2" to 6'6". I'm sure he'll make some spectacular plays, but how many plays will he not make because there's not a throwing window that wouldn't affect a taller passer.

I'm not saying he can't be good, but it adds a factor of risk when picking an already risky position and using a pick that high. All our picks need to be impact players with our 3 first rounders.

Agreed, that's why I say if we are getting a QB, I'd prefer it be Haskins at 27 or the 2nd round... IF he's available, if not... oh well... There's always Tua next year, lol...

I hate too close the door on somebody that could be special, but 5'11" I could gamble on, I can't go there at 5'8" and I don't feel great saying it, but I just don't think it will work at that size. I thought, what if you got shorter lineman, but that just allows bigger d lineman to knock balls down. I don't see his success translating to the NFL. Wish him the best though.

Next year's class of qb's is better quality and deeper.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 12, 2019, 07:01:29 PM
Kyler may be the next Russel Wilson, but his height scares me. He may be listed as 5' 10', but he's 5'8". That's tough to play QB when your lineman are  usually 6'2" to 6'6". I'm sure he'll make some spectacular plays, but how many plays will he not make because there's not a throwing window that wouldn't affect a taller passer.

I'm not saying he can't be good, but it adds a factor of risk when picking an already risky position and using a pick that high. All our picks need to be impact players with our 3 first rounders.

Agreed, that's why I say if we are getting a QB, I'd prefer it be Haskins at 27 or the 2nd round... IF he's available, if not... oh well... There's always Tua next year, lol...

I hate too close the door on somebody that could be special, but 5'11" I could gamble on, I can't go there at 5'8" and I don't feel great saying it, but I just don't think it will work at that size. I thought, what if you got shorter lineman, but that just allows bigger d lineman to knock balls down. I don't see his success translating to the NFL. Wish him the best though.

Next year's class of qb's is better quality and deeper.

I saw a stat on twitter saying he only had 5 batted balls all season...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 12, 2019, 07:08:39 PM
Found it...

Quote
Sam Monson @PFF_Sam

Kyler Murray had 5 passes batted down last season.

Daniel Jones (6'5) had 12.
Drew Lock (6'4) had 8
Will Grier (6'1) had 1
Dwayne Haskins (6'3) also had 5

Batted passes isn't connected with QB height, statistically.

6'6 Joe Flacco led the NFL in BP rate last season.

12:11 PM - 12 Feb 2019
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 12, 2019, 09:36:11 PM
This is my guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: Raider 8 on February 12, 2019, 09:47:00 PM
Found it...

Quote
Sam Monson @PFF_Sam

Kyler Murray had 5 passes batted down last season.

Daniel Jones (6'5) had 12.
Drew Lock (6'4) had 8
Will Grier (6'1) had 1
Dwayne Haskins (6'3) also had 5

Batted passes isn't connected with QB height, statistically.

6'6 Joe Flacco led the NFL in BP rate last season.

12:11 PM - 12 Feb 2019

That's pretty good, he was out of the pocket a lot though in that Oklahoma offense. I'm also scared of him running and getting a serious jury and losing our franchise QB.

After thinking about a lot of our options, I think I'd stick with Carr for next year. I'm curious to see if him and the whole offense is any better in year two.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: The one on February 12, 2019, 10:11:26 PM
Nope. I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about a 5'8" QB running an NFL offense running against NFL defenses. I want a guy that can stand tall in the pocket and have the mental aptitude to make pre snap reads and manipulate the defense and make the proper throws and reads. Should he have enough athleticism to move around and scramble when needed? Sure, but these small QB that play at the college level like it's a video game? We have seen that story too many times. I'll pass. Not every small dude that can make plays in college is going to be the new P McHolmes.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 13, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
Found it...

Quote
Sam Monson @PFF_Sam

Kyler Murray had 5 passes batted down last season.

Daniel Jones (6'5) had 12.
Drew Lock (6'4) had 8
Will Grier (6'1) had 1
Dwayne Haskins (6'3) also had 5

Batted passes isn't connected with QB height, statistically.

6'6 Joe Flacco led the NFL in BP rate last season.

12:11 PM - 12 Feb 2019

That's pretty good, he was out of the pocket a lot though in that Oklahoma offense. I'm also scared of him running and getting a serious jury and losing our franchise QB.

After thinking about a lot of our options, I think I'd stick with Carr for next year. I'm curious to see if him and the whole offense is any better in year two.
lol fell be gone before I'd be comfortable taking him.  Simply. Because I want defense.  But dudes slides.  He doesn't take big hits. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 13, 2019, 05:14:41 PM
This is my guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM
hes really good.  But he cant have my number 4 pick hahahaha might be gone before we pick bbn anyhow
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 13, 2019, 05:16:39 PM
Nope. I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about a 5'8" QB running an NFL offense running against NFL defenses. I want a guy that can stand tall in the pocket and have the mental aptitude to make pre snap reads and manipulate the defense and make the proper throws and reads. Should he have enough athleticism to move around and scramble when needed? Sure, but these small QB that play at the college level like it's a video game? We have seen that story too many times. I'll pass. Not every small dude that can make plays in college is going to be the new P McHolmes.
the kids electric.  I agree typically give me the prototypical guy.  But he dont take hits.  And he can really throw the damned ball.  If I wasnt on my defensive kick I'd be ok drafting him
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 13, 2019, 09:42:12 PM
This is my guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM
hes really good.  But he cant have my number 4 pick hahahaha might be gone before we pick bbn anyhow

I don't want him at 4...

I want him at 27 or in the 2nd if he's there...

If not, I'm content with rolling with Carr... I just want legit competition in camp with him... And Haskins could be that (or Murray)...  And either way, there's stiil a decent QB class coming out next year...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: The one on February 14, 2019, 02:03:06 PM
This is my guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM
hes really good.  But he cant have my number 4 pick hahahaha might be gone before we pick bbn anyhow

I don't want him at 4...

I want him at 27 or in the 2nd if he's there...

If not, I'm content with rolling with Carr... I just want legit competition in camp with him... And Haskins could be that (or Murray)...  And either way, there's stiil a decent QB class coming out next year...
yes. Next years Qb class is the one to keep an eye on. These really athletic QBs in college that run around scare me coming into Nfl. Just look at the ass QBs that win SB..BRady manning(s) Brees all QB that stand in pocket and know how to shred defenses.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on February 14, 2019, 03:49:51 PM
This is my guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM
hes really good.  But he cant have my number 4 pick hahahaha might be gone before we pick bbn anyhow

I don't want him at 4...

I want him at 27 or in the 2nd if he's there...

If not, I'm content with rolling with Carr... I just want legit competition in camp with him... And Haskins could be that (or Murray)...  And either way, there's stiil a decent QB class coming out next year...
yes. Next years Qb class is the one to keep an eye on. These really athletic QBs in college that run around scare me coming into Nfl. Just look at the ass QBs that win SB..BRady manning(s) Brees all QB that stand in pocket and know how to shred defenses.

That's why I like Haskins...

He's not that... He's a PURE pocket QB... he only had 9 carries for 109 yards... all season...

This kid slings that rock... and has the IQ to match...

Talk about standing in the pocket... Check him out below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7SLttQ-UWU
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 14, 2019, 04:29:56 PM
This is my guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1167E8_LM
hes really good.  But he cant have my number 4 pick hahahaha might be gone before we pick bbn anyhow

I don't want him at 4...

I want him at 27 or in the 2nd if he's there...

If not, I'm content with rolling with Carr... I just want legit competition in camp with him... And Haskins could be that (or Murray)...  And either way, there's stiil a decent QB class coming out next year...
second round yeah I'm fine.  First round.  Nope unless we somehow  get more picks then he can have the lowest
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on February 16, 2019, 01:27:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0EC7RuW7fI
This is for you Otis.

Don't give up on the kid just yet my brother!

We got many many other holes to fill first until we pull the plug on #4.. JMO
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on February 16, 2019, 10:57:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0EC7RuW7fI
This is for you Otis.

Don't give up on the kid just yet my brother!

We got many many other holes to fill first until we pull the plug on #4.. JMO
you misunderstand I know carss a good qb.  I just want to get what I can for him.  I want a new team.  New starters.  New building blocks.  Etc.  Carrs ready got a finger, back, leg.  And hes not even 30 yet.  Dudes made of glass.  If I. Starting the team over I'd rather do it with someone who costs less.  Who isn't one big hit from a little a little rascal.  I think as a qb he lacks pocket awareness.  But he can make every damn throw out there.   But there are alot of guys who can do that.  And if were gonna reboot this bitch.  It's time to put on your work boots and get shit done
  Its like ripping off bandaid.  Yeah its gonna hurt for a second but we will be bbn better off in the long run.  Carrs not built for a long careers.  Dudes made of glass. 

I saw someone semi echoing my sentiment.  He said he wanted defense  in the draft.  Offense special teams in free agency.  With a caveat of extenuating circumstances.....  if there's super value to be had say a first round talent falls to the third round or something.  We have a ton of picks then feel free to take a flyer on a high risk high reward guy.  The one and only thing i care about is getting this bbn fucking rebuild over and done with.  If you drag your dick and half ass is trying to stay relevant you will accomplish  nothing...  get in ...get out... get off..  it's like sex with Kobe Bryant kick and scream all you want shits gonna happen.  Might as well dive in head first.  This team currently constituted us a dumpster fire.  You can try to patch holes with fa's. All you want.  All your gonna be is that little Dutch boy with his fingers in the damn trying to stop the water.  We spent 20 years doing that shit.  How did that go for us?  We rebuilt with Jack.  It worked.  Until politics and bad management blew it up.  Well when your left with the remnants and hirt feelings and I'll will all you can do is blow it up.  I said it then I'm still saying it.  They all need to go.  No picking sides.  There is no sides anymore, just recovery.  This was septic...shit.  shit bbn fortwo years.  Yeah we stank last year...is it John's fault no...we stunk before he got here.  It's time to finish the rebuild.  Let's do this
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 02, 2019, 04:13:23 PM
Drafts coming.  I still think its gonna be a draft day trade. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 04, 2019, 07:57:18 PM

Watch the interviews guys.  The Carr stories got legs.  The beer will be mine Slow!!! Don't forget that pizza too.  It's almost time to pay up dog!!!
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on March 04, 2019, 08:02:18 PM

Watch the interviews guys.  The Carr stories got legs.  The beer will be mine Slow!!! Don't forget that pizza too.  It's almost time to pay up dog!!!

Which interviews... I wanna see...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 04, 2019, 08:03:50 PM
I don't know how to post that shit I saw it u tube Joel klatt on the cowherd show.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on March 04, 2019, 08:08:59 PM
I don't know how to post that shit I saw it u tube Joel klatt on the cowherd show.

Copy the link...

Paste it here...

Easy Peasy...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: nutmg1 on March 04, 2019, 08:32:29 PM

Watch the interviews guys.  The Carr stories got legs.  The beer will be mine Slow!!! Don't forget that pizza too.  It's almost time to pay up dog!!!


I searched hard today. Everything I found named that one no name dude from Bleacher as the source.  When you hear Adam Schefter say it then you'll know it has legs. 

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 04, 2019, 08:36:03 PM
I don't watch the br for anything.  Their trash
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 04, 2019, 08:37:50 PM
Here u go

https://youtu.be/LVGWC4HJECg
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 04, 2019, 08:46:15 PM
I don't know how to post that shit I saw it u tube Joel klatt on the cowherd show.

Copy the link...

Paste it here...

Easy Peasy...
I did it for u
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on March 04, 2019, 10:45:28 PM
I don't know how to post that shit I saw it u tube Joel klatt on the cowherd show.

Copy the link...

Paste it here...

Easy Peasy...
I did it for u

:cheers
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 05, 2019, 06:43:27 AM
I don't know how to post that shit I saw it u tube Joel klatt on the cowherd show.

Copy the link...

Paste it here...

Easy Peasy...
I did it for u

:cheers
lol honestly never do that type of shit
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on March 05, 2019, 11:14:45 AM
I don't know how to post that shit I saw it u tube Joel klatt on the cowherd show.

Copy the link...

Paste it here...

Easy Peasy...
I did it for u

:cheers
lol honestly never do that type of shit

You should, then people would understand you better, bro... Real shit...

Only takes a second or 2, to post a link, then people will know what you;re talking about... because the source is right there with your opinion...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 05, 2019, 12:31:00 PM
I don't know how to post that shit I saw it u tube Joel klatt on the cowherd show.

Copy the link...

Paste it here...

Easy Peasy...
I did it for u

:cheers
lol honestly never do that type of shit

You should, then people would understand you better, bro... Real shit...

Only takes a second or 2, to post a link, then people will know what you;re talking about... because the source is right there with your opinion...
I didn't know how
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: nutmg1 on March 05, 2019, 10:00:29 PM
Here u go

https://youtu.be/LVGWC4HJECg

I'm still not buying it.  That was pretty weak.  King says Gruden isn't a good poker player and Klatt says its true that Murray won't make it past Oakland. 

If that was a strong rumor going around Indy and if Carr really was being shopped we would have heard tons about this. 

If anything Gruden and Mayock may be trying to make our pick more valuable or make sure someone drops to us. 

I'll shit myself if we draft Murray.  My attitude on Gruden and Mayock will change drastically.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 06, 2019, 09:12:55 AM
Here u go

https://youtu.be/LVGWC4HJECg

I'm still not buying it.  That was pretty weak.  King says Gruden isn't a good poker player and Klatt says its true that Murray won't make it past Oakland. 

If that was a strong rumor going around Indy and if Carr really was being shopped we would have heard tons about this. 

If anything Gruden and Mayock may be trying to make our pick more valuable or make sure someone drops to us. 

I'll shit myself if we draft Murray.  My attitude on Gruden and Mayock will change drastically.
lol what does that mean?  You wont like them anymore? 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: nutmg1 on March 06, 2019, 10:51:33 AM
Here u go

https://youtu.be/LVGWC4HJECg

I'm still not buying it.  That was pretty weak.  King says Gruden isn't a good poker player and Klatt says its true that Murray won't make it past Oakland. 

If that was a strong rumor going around Indy and if Carr really was being shopped we would have heard tons about this. 

If anything Gruden and Mayock may be trying to make our pick more valuable or make sure someone drops to us. 

I'll shit myself if we draft Murray.  My attitude on Gruden and Mayock will change drastically.
lol what does that mean?  You wont like them anymore?

I can't stand Kyler Murray.  I do not want to watch him every week.  His style of football isn't what I like.  Not to mention the interviews I've heard him in he comes across as a dick. 

I don't think he compares to Mahomes at all.  Which it seems like everyone is trying to turn him into.  I didn't like Baker Mayfield either.   

I think Kyler is going to bet beat up in the NFL.  He might come out of the gate looking good but the league will catch up with him and eventually he's going to be broken. 


Going with a 5'10 QB who is going to end up weighing abound 190 pounds by the time he gets through camp to the first game is not the direction I thought Gruden and Mayock would take the team.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on March 07, 2019, 04:18:33 PM
Going with a 5'10 QB who is going to end up weighing abound 190 pounds by the time he gets through camp to the first game is not the direction I thought Gruden and Mayock would take the team.

Just want to say, he's the same size as Russel Wilson... everyone had the same concerns with him (Wilson) and he turned out fine... Given his baseball background, I'm pretty sure he knows how to slide, lol... Just like Wilson...

All this stuff about his size, is irrelevant to me... The kid is a baller, period... and at the end of the day, that's all that matters...

A rarely mentioned stat of Murray's, that doesn't get mentioned a lot... On the hardest down in football 3rd and 7+... his numbers were light years above any other QB, in terms of rating, completion percentage and big plays... and ADD to that, his running/escapability... that makes it evn more impressive...

He also had fewr batted balls than any of the other top QB prospects...

With that said, I'd still take Haskins over him, just because I like his style... and he's a legit, pure pocket passer... which IMO... makes him the better QUARTERBACK...

I'd only be MAD, if we took Murray at 4, (Haskins too) while Carr is still onthe roster... If either of them drops to 24, I'd take either in a heartbeat, keep Carr, give them the Smith/Mahomes treatment... and put the loser on the trade block for 2020...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 07, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
Here u go

https://youtu.be/LVGWC4HJECg

I'm still not buying it.  That was pretty weak.  King says Gruden isn't a good poker player and Klatt says its true that Murray won't make it past Oakland. 

If that was a strong rumor going around Indy and if Carr really was being shopped we would have heard tons about this. 

If anything Gruden and Mayock may be trying to make our pick more valuable or make sure someone drops to us. 

I'll shit myself if we draft Murray.  My attitude on Gruden and Mayock will change drastically.
lol what does that mean?  You wont like them anymore?

I can't stand Kyler Murray.  I do not want to watch him every week.  His style of football isn't what I like.  Not to mention the interviews I've heard him in he comes across as a dick. 

I don't think he compares to Mahomes at all.  Which it seems like everyone is trying to turn him into.  I didn't like Baker Mayfield either.   

I think Kyler is going to bet beat up in the NFL.  He might come out of the gate looking good but the league will catch up with him and eventually he's going to be broken. 


Going with a 5'10 QB who is going to end up weighing abound 190 pounds by the time he gets through camp to the first game is not the direction I thought Gruden and Mayock would take the team.
lol I dint care who's under center this year as long as we trade carr cor picks.  But if we sign AB the chances of carr being traded go down exponentially.  Which would make me.sad lol
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: nutmg1 on March 07, 2019, 05:55:21 PM
Going with a 5'10 QB who is going to end up weighing abound 190 pounds by the time he gets through camp to the first game is not the direction I thought Gruden and Mayock would take the team.

Just want to say, he's the same size as Russel Wilson... everyone had the same concerns with him (Wilson) and he turned out fine... Given his baseball background, I'm pretty sure he knows how to slide, lol... Just like Wilson...

All this stuff about his size, is irrelevant to me... The kid is a baller, period... and at the end of the day, that's all that matters...

A rarely mentioned stat of Murray's, that doesn't get mentioned a lot... On the hardest down in football 3rd and 7+... his numbers were light years above any other QB, in terms of rating, completion percentage and big plays... and ADD to that, his running/escapability... that makes it evn more impressive...

He also had fewr batted balls than any of the other top QB prospects...

With that said, I'd still take Haskins over him, just because I like his style... and he's a legit, pure pocket passer... which IMO... makes him the better QUARTERBACK...

I'd only be MAD, if we took Murray at 4, (Haskins too) while Carr is still onthe roster... If either of them drops to 24, I'd take either in a heartbeat, keep Carr, give them the Smith/Mahomes treatment... and put the loser on the trade block for 2020...

Everyone points out Russell Wilson because he's one of the only little QB's who turned out good.  I know all about Murray's stats and he may prove me wrong.  There were allot of the some conversations about Baker last year and he looked pretty good.  I see Murray as a much smaller frame than Wilson or Mayfield.  Again he may prove me wrong but I don't see him playing 5 years in the league without a major injury. 

We all know the NFL is a different game.  We just saw a 260 pound 6'6 man run a 4.41 40. 

Look what happened to Lamar Jackson in the playoffs.  The NFL always figures out these kind of QB's. 


Haskins is my choice this year too.  But like you I'd take either of them at 24.  They won't be there though.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: varaider on March 07, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Going with a 5'10 QB who is going to end up weighing abound 190 pounds by the time he gets through camp to the first game is not the direction I thought Gruden and Mayock would take the team.

Just want to say, he's the same size as Russel Wilson... everyone had the same concerns with him (Wilson) and he turned out fine... Given his baseball background, I'm pretty sure he knows how to slide, lol... Just like Wilson...

All this stuff about his size, is irrelevant to me... The kid is a baller, period... and at the end of the day, that's all that matters...

A rarely mentioned stat of Murray's, that doesn't get mentioned a lot... On the hardest down in football 3rd and 7+... his numbers were light years above any other QB, in terms of rating, completion percentage and big plays... and ADD to that, his running/escapability... that makes it evn more impressive...

He also had fewr batted balls than any of the other top QB prospects...

With that said, I'd still take Haskins over him, just because I like his style... and he's a legit, pure pocket passer... which IMO... makes him the better QUARTERBACK...

I'd only be MAD, if we took Murray at 4, (Haskins too) while Carr is still onthe roster... If either of them drops to 24, I'd take either in a heartbeat, keep Carr, give them the Smith/Mahomes treatment... and put the loser on the trade block for 2020...

Everyone points out Russell Wilson because he's one of the only little QB's who turned out good.  I know all about Murray's stats and he may prove me wrong.  There were allot of the some conversations about Baker last year and he looked pretty good.  I see Murray as a much smaller frame than Wilson or Mayfield.  Again he may prove me wrong but I don't see him playing 5 years in the league without a major injury. 

We all know the NFL is a different game.  We just saw a 260 pound 6'6 man run a 4.41 40. 

Look what happened to Lamar Jackson in the playoffs.  The NFL always figures out these kind of QB's. 


Haskins is my choice this year too.  But like you I'd take either of them at 24.  They won't be there though.

Lamar Jackson started half the year... led them to the playoffs... Technically, he prepared as a backup in TC all the way til when he WON... the starting job... And he was a rookie bro, relax...

"Jackson completed 14-of-29 passes for 194 yards, with two touchdowns and an interception; he was also Baltimore's leading rusher with 9 carries for 54 yards."

He brought them back in the 4th... I remember that... and he struggled... Guess what Derek Carr struggled vs KC and their 31st ranked defense, not a comparison of talent, just a comparison of games... Meaning, players have good and bad games... He had a bad game...

BUT... head to head, he outperformed Carr (I was there, smh)... even with 2 INTs...

And the Chargers defense is pretty good... Forgot to mention that...

And the Ravens are high enough on Jackson, that they traded a Super Bowl winning, perennial playoff bound QB to the Donkeys...

Might be a little too really to throw the kid under the bus... just saying...
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 12, 2019, 05:23:42 PM
Soooooo the raiders roll the dice.  Trade up to grab kylar murry.  Wich makes my head impload.... trade carr to Giants for the number 5 still get our defensive pick.  Get Gruden/matlock their Quarterback.  All the while saving me 30 bucks or so for pizza and beer.
Write it down  motherfuckers!!!
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on March 12, 2019, 08:46:09 PM
Soooooo the raiders roll the dice.  Trade up to grab kylar murry.  Wich makes my head impload.... trade carr to Giants for the number 5 still get our defensive pick.  Get Gruden/matlock their Quarterback.  All the while saving me 30 bucks or so for pizza and beer.
Write it down  motherfuckers!!!
Not going to happen!!

Especially with AB  here.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 13, 2019, 08:54:23 AM
Soooooo the raiders roll the dice.  Trade up to grab kylar murry.  Wich makes my head impload.... trade carr to Giants for the number 5 still get our defensive pick.  Get Gruden/matlock their Quarterback.  All the while saving me 30 bucks or so for pizza and beer.
Write it down  motherfuckers!!!
Not going to happen!!

Especially with AB  here.
well see.  You may get that and beer.  But then again so might I.  Crazier shit has happened before
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 13, 2019, 03:04:30 PM
Greg Olsen was at kyler work out lol maming it interesting
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: az raider on March 13, 2019, 03:13:42 PM
I seriously doubt that AB would sign and then go on and on about his bestie Carr just to watch him traded.

Carr will be our QB...at least through ‘19...and probably beyond
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ghostmech on March 13, 2019, 03:45:59 PM
Carr will be our QB...at least through ‘19...and probably beyond

I agree... no matter who we take in the draft, Carr is the QB.  I can see a scenario where the top three DL players are taken (Q Williams, Allen, Bosa) and the Raiders take Murray instead of wasting the 4 on a tier lower DL player. 
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 13, 2019, 06:31:22 PM
I seriously doubt that AB would sign and then go on and on about his bestie Carr just to watch him traded.

Carr will be our QB...at least through ‘19...and probably beyond
Ab doesn't sign contracts.  And maybe he's Intrigued by murry who's specialty is extending plays ala old school bbn big ben...  remember when AB was unstoppable.  So it's not really that far fetched.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 13, 2019, 06:34:13 PM
Carr will be our QB...at least through ‘19...and probably beyond

I agree... no matter who we take in the draft, Carr is the QB.  I can see a scenario where the top three DL players are taken (Q Williams, Allen, Bosa) and the Raiders take Murray instead of wasting the 4 on a tier lower DL player.
I could see that too.  But having both on the roster would be highly unlikely
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: nutmg1 on March 13, 2019, 09:23:51 PM
I seriously doubt that AB would sign and then go on and on about his bestie Carr just to watch him traded.

Carr will be our QB...at least through ‘19...and probably beyond
Ab doesn't sign contracts.  And maybe he's Intrigued by murry who's specialty is extending plays ala old school bbn big ben...  remember when AB was unstoppable.  So it's not really that far fetched.

Did you see the video of AB stopping by Carr's house today and just about making out with him?  If they get rid of Carr or even cause doubt by drafting an early QB there is going to be big trouble in Oakland this year.

Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: TIBERIUS on March 14, 2019, 02:06:10 AM
This is DC's last shot at staying Raider QB. Coaches have been giving him everything he needs to be successful this year. We all saw how coach was on his ass last year. Another poor year and he won't be in Vegas. Not with his bloated cap.
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: 805raiderslo on March 14, 2019, 02:17:33 AM
Soooooo the raiders roll the dice.  Trade up to grab kylar murry.  Wich makes my head impload.... trade carr to Giants for the number 5 still get our defensive pick.  Get Gruden/matlock their Quarterback.  All the while saving me 30 bucks or so for pizza and beer.
Write it down  motherfuckers!!!
Not going to happen!!

Especially with AB  here.
well see.  You may get that and beer.  But then again so might I.  Crazier shit has happened before
I'll take a meat lovers from Woodstock's and a sixer of Elysian Space Dust I.P.A.

at %8.20 ABV that's all I'll need! LOL
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 14, 2019, 08:24:01 AM
Soooooo the raiders roll the dice.  Trade up to grab kylar murry.  Wich makes my head impload.... trade carr to Giants for the number 5 still get our defensive pick.  Get Gruden/matlock their Quarterback.  All the while saving me 30 bucks or so for pizza and beer.
Write it down  motherfuckers!!!
Not going to happen!!

Especially with AB  here.
well see.  You may get that and beer.  But then again so might I.  Crazier shit has happened before
I'll take a meat lovers from Woodstock's and a sixer of Elysian Space Dust I.P.A.

at %8.20 ABV that's all I'll need! LOL
hahahaha gotcha.  Well played
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 14, 2019, 08:52:32 AM
I seriously doubt that AB would sign and then go on and on about his bestie Carr just to watch him traded.

Carr will be our QB...at least through ‘19...and probably beyond
Ab doesn't sign contracts.  And maybe he's Intrigued by murry who's specialty is extending plays ala old school bbn big ben...  remember when AB was unstoppable.  So it's not really that far fetched.

Did you see the video of AB stopping by Carr's house today and just about making out with him?  If they get rid of Carr or even cause doubt by drafting an early QB there is going to be big trouble in Oakland this year.
lmao this is the NFL.  No fun league shit happens all the time.  And maybe if this getting murry was to he their plan maybe ab knows.  Maybe it's a fluid situation maybe ab is cool with either.  Maybe I'm Buying pizza
Title: Re: It's obvious that Carr needs to go
Post by: ElevatorRaidersfanPA on March 14, 2019, 08:54:09 AM
This is DC's last shot at staying Raider QB. Coaches have been giving him everything he needs to be successful this year. We all saw how coach was on his ass last year. Another poor year and he won't be in Vegas. Not with his bloated cap.
his online is still suspect and he has not got a right end.  Ab gonna have to  learn grudens playbook.  Theirs excuses aplenty to be found if that's what people are saying.